Dunkirk - Christopher Nolan film
Discussion
dave_s13 said:
franki68 said:
Just watched this ,and shamefully I have to say I have very poor knowledge of the actual historical event,so I viewed the film purely from the perspective of entertainment .
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Me too, but I thought it was ok....... .
The glaring omission for me was about 295,000 soldiers trying to get home. The beach was empty!?
mikal83 said:
I sort of got a hankering it was going to be a s
te film when the opening scene showed a soldier in a brand new uniform running down the streets.
‘Right we’re going to film the first scene- you lot get out over there, you’ve fought for weeks and the Germans are advancing, you’re desperate and searching for the beach’te film when the opening scene showed a soldier in a brand new uniform running down the streets.‘But these uniforms are brand new, shouldn’t they show the ravages of war? And what about giving a nod to the Seaforth Highlanders? And the mass destruction of vehicles and equipment to avoid them getting captured, at least let’s show someone draining the oil from a Bedford and running it to wreck the engine?’
The discussion neve seems to getthat far. So many films just need fine tuning to be Greats not just also-rans and whoever they got to set the scenes on Dunkirk needs err shooting
Edited by V6Pushfit on Monday 1st January 14:04
V6Pushfit said:
mikal83 said:
I sort of got a hankering it was going to be a ste film when the opening scene showed a soldier in a brand new uniform running down the streets.
‘Right we’re going to film the first scene- you lot get out over there, you’ve fought for weeks and the Germans are advancing, you’re desperate and searching for the beach’te film when the opening scene showed a soldier in a brand new uniform running down the streets.‘But these uniforms are brand new, shouldn’t they show the ravages of war? And what about giving a nod to the Seaforth Highlanders? And the mass destruction of vehicles and equipment to avoid them getting captured, at least let’s show someone draining the oil from a Bedford and running it to wreck the engine?’
The discussion neve seems to getthat far. So many films just need fine tuning to be Greats not just also-rans and whoever they got to set the scenes on Dunkirk needs err shooting
Edited by V6Pushfit on Monday 1st January 14:04
Our audience are too ignorant to notice
We can't afford it/can't be bothered
It's not important to the story I'M telling
There was no sense of desperation or of the massive scale
I know it wasn’t supposed to be a historical PhD submission, but there desperately needed to be more men on the beach, a lot more vehicles and equipment and little ships. A general in Whitehall saying ‘Jesus were fked’, a cut to a newspaper stand in London with a headline ‘BEF under attack, men stranded in france’ or something like that would have helped.
The film made Dunkirk look like a sideshow and viewers not knowing the background would still wonder what it was all about: something with a thousand soldiers, a few spitfires and a few boats and ships and that was it.
Or are viewers expected to do Wikipedia research first??????
I know it wasn’t supposed to be a historical PhD submission, but there desperately needed to be more men on the beach, a lot more vehicles and equipment and little ships. A general in Whitehall saying ‘Jesus were f
ked’, a cut to a newspaper stand in London with a headline ‘BEF under attack, men stranded in france’ or something like that would have helped.The film made Dunkirk look like a sideshow and viewers not knowing the background would still wonder what it was all about: something with a thousand soldiers, a few spitfires and a few boats and ships and that was it.
Or are viewers expected to do Wikipedia research first??????
Edited by V6Pushfit on Monday 1st January 17:34
If you don't know the story, it doesn't make sense.
And if you do know the story it doesn't makes sense.....
Ultimately Nolan set himself up for a fall by calling it "Dunkirk", rather than "Escape" or "Rescue" or something else; where the film was set within the evacuation of Dunkirk but was just a small story within it.
And if you do know the story it doesn't makes sense.....
Ultimately Nolan set himself up for a fall by calling it "Dunkirk", rather than "Escape" or "Rescue" or something else; where the film was set within the evacuation of Dunkirk but was just a small story within it.
V6Pushfit said:
Eric Mc said:
V6Pushfit said:
There was no seabed of desperation or of the massacre ve scale
You may need to translate that for me.No sense of desperation or of the massive scale....
Post amended!
TEKNOPUG said:
V6Pushfit said:
mikal83 said:
I sort of got a hankering it was going to be a ste film when the opening scene showed a soldier in a brand new uniform running down the streets.
‘Right we’re going to film the first scene- you lot get out over there, you’ve fought for weeks and the Germans are advancing, you’re desperate and searching for the beach’te film when the opening scene showed a soldier in a brand new uniform running down the streets.‘But these uniforms are brand new, shouldn’t they show the ravages of war? And what about giving a nod to the Seaforth Highlanders? And the mass destruction of vehicles and equipment to avoid them getting captured, at least let’s show someone draining the oil from a Bedford and running it to wreck the engine?’
The discussion neve seems to getthat far. So many films just need fine tuning to be Greats not just also-rans and whoever they got to set the scenes on Dunkirk needs err shooting
Our audience are too ignorant to notice
We can't afford it/can't be bothered
It's not important to the story I'M telling
Yes, it looked possibly a little underwhelming in terms of spectacle. But that was partially the point - Nolan was aiming to avoid CGI where possible. Most of what was done in terms of effects was done for real - and it would have been much easier to do so much of the film and on a more epic scale if he'd been able to use a full CGI flotilla, squadrons of CGI spitfires, and tens of thousands of digital soldiers.
So I think what he did was a big achievement even though it seems a bit lacking by our computer graphics addled minds.
So I think what he did was a big achievement even though it seems a bit lacking by our computer graphics addled minds.
Riley Blue said:
V6Pushfit said:
Eric Mc said:
V6Pushfit said:
There was no seabed of desperation or of the massacre ve scale
You may need to translate that for me.No sense of desperation or of the massive scale....
Post amended!
It needed something like the Atonement opening scene within the first 5 mins, then it could have spent the rest of the film on the individual stories. But it ends up be neither a grand telling of the story or enough context for the individual exploits to resonate. IMHO.
When I was growing up a friend of my dad's had been at Dunkirk, apparently they had managed to bodge the engine on the Bedford truck or whatever they were using and had managed to get it to Dunkirk. Only to be told to drain the oil run the engine until it seized and then smash what they could with a sledge hammer! He told my dad it was chaos.
louiechevy said:
When I was growing up a friend of my dad's had been at Dunkirk, apparently they had managed to bodge the engine on the Bedford truck or whatever they were using and had managed to get it to Dunkirk. Only to be told to drain the oil run the engine until it seized and then smash what they could with a sledge hammer! He told my dad it was chaos.
The film could have used to the max any or all of the elements of Confusion/Chaos/Fear/Mass humanity/Mass equipment/Desperation/Salvation/etc....but if it did they just didn’t come over
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