The Grand Tour

[227bhp]

TheGuru said:

HardtopManual said:

I'll still watch, just without the young 'uns, which is a bit sad really.

There is nothing in the show that would prevent me from watching with my 7 and 13 year olds, you'd really have to be a puritanical nutjob to be concerned about it.

We've got to bring up the Mega Snowflake generation properly, can't be exposing them to that kind of language.

[RBH58]

227bhp said:

TheGuru said:

HardtopManual said:

I'll still watch, just without the young 'uns, which is a bit sad really.

There is nothing in the show that would prevent me from watching with my 7 and 13 year olds, you'd really have to be a puritanical nutjob to be concerned about it.

We've got to bring up the Mega Snowflake generation properly, can't be exposing them to that kind of language.

They’re going to get worse in the playground I assure you.

[Mafffew]

RBH58 said:

227bhp said:

TheGuru said:

HardtopManual said:

I'll still watch, just without the young 'uns, which is a bit sad really.

There is nothing in the show that would prevent me from watching with my 7 and 13 year olds, you'd really have to be a puritanical nutjob to be concerned about it.

We've got to bring up the Mega Snowflake generation properly, can't be exposing them to that kind of language.

They’re going to get worse in the playground I assure you.

They probably use worse in the playground and then act all sweet and innocent to mother and father.

It is exactly what I did.

[Europa1]

Rich_W said:

Only they aren't!

There are some of the brightest minds in the world today in the USA. It's just that for some reason TV producers all think the population is hillbillies. And rude assholes from Wall Street or Hippies from the republic of California.

Well, on the basis that the President is the most public face of the USA, currently the stereotype of the idiot American is being reinforced somewhat.

[swisstoni]

Trying to characterise 300+ million people is a fairly stupid thing to do in the first place,

[DanielSan]

TurboHatchback said:

I enjoyed this weeks episode. I'm completely uninterested in the new supercar reviews but the XKSS and DB4 lightweight were just delicious, if I was Bill Gates level minted I would buy both in a heartbeat. The banked circuit bit looked genuinely dangerous and I saw real fear and concentration in their eyes, the cars looked magnificent on the period circuit and some of the Pyrenees footage was beautiful. I still wish they'd lose the celebrity guff, I almost never have any interest in them at all.

I find it quite amusing all the keyboard warriors claiming Clarkson can't drive and they could do better. I know he often plays the fool but he's a damn good driver who has driven more or less every interesting car ever made from the latest Lamborghinis to 100yr old classics and utterly knackered crocks off-road across continents, if he says the gearbox is a pig then I believe it's a pig.

Tiff Needell has said numerous times in the past Clarkson is a far better driver than he tries to make out he is.

I think a lot of the drift stuff being done by other drivers is partly down to insurance purposes now they’re the main commodity of GT. There seems to be more sequences now where they aren’t driving than there was on TG.

[KillianB4]

irocfan said:

I'm not great with individual band members but if we're mentioning bass players surely Phil Lynott or Geddy Lee? Or if drummers..... Neil Peart

Was about to mention Lynott until I saw this. Good man!

[RBH58]

DanielSan said:

Tiff Needell has said numerous times in the past Clarkson is a far better driver than he tries to make out he is.

Yeah...he is. He’s certainly the most naturally talented of the three of them but none of them are terrible. May is just the most sensible of the three of them.

[Johnspex]

RBH58 said:

DanielSan said:

Tiff Needell has said numerous times in the past Clarkson is a far better driver than he tries to make out he is.

Yeah...he is. He’s certainly the most naturally talented of the three of them but none of them are terrible. May is just the most sensible of the three of them.

Cit stands to reason really. If they've worked on a TVs programme with access to many types of cars from Hypercars down, an airfield to play on, no worries about costs, and a team of other drivers to learn from they must pick up some skills along the way.

[kmpowell]

RBH58 said:

227bhp said:

TheGuru said:

HardtopManual said:

I'll still watch, just without the young 'uns, which is a bit sad really.

There is nothing in the show that would prevent me from watching with my 7 and 13 year olds, you'd really have to be a puritanical nutjob to be concerned about it.

We've got to bring up the Mega Snowflake generation properly, can't be exposing them to that kind of language.

They’re going to get worse in the playground I assure you.

How about my highly influential 4 year old who's totally mad about cars. He's of an age where he copies a lot of words and expressions, even though he has no idea what they mean. Whereas I can sit down with him and watch Top Gear, Fifth Gear, Wheeler Dealers etc, I can't with TGT unless I've screened it first. The overuse of the word "st" by Clarkson and May means I cannot sit down and enjoy it with him straight away and have some genuine father & son time watching cars.

He's too young to go to school, so that argument is out, my concern is him saying "st" at nursery or to his friends and them copying. That's not being a snowflake, that's good parenting.

There's no need for that word in the first place, because it's clearly scripted!

[PhantomPH]

Johnspex said:

RBH58 said:

DanielSan said:

Tiff Needell has said numerous times in the past Clarkson is a far better driver than he tries to make out he is.

Yeah...he is. He’s certainly the most naturally talented of the three of them but none of them are terrible. May is just the most sensible of the three of them.

Cit stands to reason really. If they've worked on a TVs programme with access to many types of cars from Hypercars down, an airfield to play on, no worries about costs, and a team of other drivers to learn from they must pick up some skills along the way.

My personal opinion is that Clarkson is a very good 'TV' driver and can make a car look good going sideways (a great skill, btw), but at the other end of the scale Hammond is a terrible driver full stop. I'm yet to see anything at all that makes me think he has any driving talent whatsoever.

Important to note that this is not a requirement of being a presenter on a TV car show!

[Hosenbugler]

KillianB4 said:

irocfan said:

I'm not great with individual band members but if we're mentioning bass players surely Phil Lynott or Geddy Lee? Or if drummers..... Neil Peart

Was about to mention Lynott until I saw this. Good man!

I'm astounded nobody seems to have mentioned John Entwhistle, or the late great Jack Bruce.

[FourWheelDrift]

kmpowell said:

RBH58 said:

227bhp said:

TheGuru said:

HardtopManual said:

I'll still watch, just without the young 'uns, which is a bit sad really.

There is nothing in the show that would prevent me from watching with my 7 and 13 year olds, you'd really have to be a puritanical nutjob to be concerned about it.

We've got to bring up the Mega Snowflake generation properly, can't be exposing them to that kind of language.

They’re going to get worse in the playground I assure you.

How about my highly influential 4 year old who's totally mad about cars. He's of an age where he copies a lot of words and expressions, even though he has no idea what they mean. Whereas I can sit down with him and watch Top Gear, Fifth Gear, Wheeler Dealers etc, I can't with TGT unless I've screened it first. The overuse of the word "st" by Clarkson and May means I cannot sit down and enjoy it with him straight away and have some genuine father & son time watching cars.

He's too young to go to school, so that argument is out, my concern is him saying "st" at nursery or to his friends and them copying. That's not being a snowflake, that's good parenting.

There's no need for that word in the first place, because it's clearly scripted!

The Grand Tour is certified, some PG, some 12 and some 15 in the UK - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5712554/parentalguide?...

And Top Gear is some PG, some U, some 12 and series 22 last year was rated 15 - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1628033/parentalguide?...

[Mcphisto]

kmpowell said:

How about my highly influential 4 year old who's totally mad about cars. He's of an age where he copies a lot of words and expressions, even though he has no idea what they mean. Whereas I can sit down with him and watch Top Gear,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJnQyrQuggI

[Johnspex]

PhantomPH said:

Johnspex said:

RBH58 said:

DanielSan said:

Tiff Needell has said numerous times in the past Clarkson is a far better driver than he tries to make out he is.

Yeah...he is. He’s certainly the most naturally talented of the three of them but none of them are terrible. May is just the most sensible of the three of them.

Cit stands to reason really. If they've worked on a TVs programme with access to many types of cars from Hypercars down, an airfield to play on, no worries about costs, and a team of other drivers to learn from they must pick up some skills along the way.

My personal opinion is that Clarkson is a very good 'TV' driver and can make a car look good going sideways (a great skill, btw), but at the other end of the scale Hammond is a terrible driver full stop. I'm yet to see anything at all that makes me think he has any driving talent whatsoever.

Important to note that this is not a requirement of being a presenter on a TV car show!

What makes you say Hammond is a terrible driver? In what way is he terrible? What makes you qualified to judge? Are you one of those who said Chris Harris knows how to peddle (sic) a car?

Edited by Johnspex on Tuesday 30th January 18:40

[simonrockman]

kmpowell said:

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How about my highly influential 4 year old who's totally mad about cars. He's of an age where he copies a lot of words and expressions, even though he has no idea what they mean. Whereas I can sit down with him and watch Top Gear,

There was a Top Gear "The News" looking at car manufacturers putting logos on things, which included a branded "Pork Sword" and "Wizard's Sleeve".

It depends on how much of a prude you are, I don't remember my parents ever censoring anything from me, but if you find someone saying st offensive then TG isn't wholesome.

There is a (great) book called "This is going to hurt" about time in an obstetrics and gynecology ward. It's mostly got five star amazon reviews, but among the negative ones are complaints about expletives. When much of the book is about surgery to people's reproductive systems I find it hard to understand how anyone can find proscribed words offensive.

[Stan the Bat]

TGT for four year olds .

You couldn't make this up.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

That 4 year-old can really peddle that car.

[Stan the Bat]

Careful, he's a very influential four year old.

[Yipper]

Sparky137 said:

Rich_W said:

Only they aren't!

There are some of the brightest minds in the world today in the USA. It's just that for some reason TV producers all think the population is hillbillies. And rude assholes from Wall Street or Hippies from the republic of California.

I work with a lot of 'bright minds'. Unfortunately that does not mean they have any common sense, practical skills or comprehension of many situations. Intelligence and being clever or understanding do not necessarily go hand in hand.

It's always a chuckle when Brits sneer at Americans.

If the UK were to join the USA and become the 51st State, the UK would be pretty much the poorest state in the entire union.

Britain is no richer than those Alabama rednecks yall love to chuckle at.

The joke is on the UK, not America.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2014/08/2...