Star Wars: The Last Jedi (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

[bitchstewie]

Thing is for every negative article there are positive https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/film/2017/12/...

At the end of the day it's all opinion

[r11co]

bhstewie said:

At the end of the day it's all opinion

Yeah, the ticket sales are just 'opinion'.

[r11co]

zygalski said:

It grossed well over $600 million in the first week of release.
Box office-wise, TLJ is already a resounding success.

A turd with the Star Wars logo on it will sell. I invested over £30 of my own money to see it going in with no negative expectations. Repeat that millions of time over for people who came out the other end like myself and yes the numbers look good, but it's what comes next that matters.

As I said several times now, forget the reviews and spin on the box-office take - when the writer/director backpedals and lies about not knowing what the character development was in the previous movie in order to justify bad decisions then you know something has gone wrong.

Russian Troll Bot said:

Given it's made 3 times its budget back in a week, I'd say his opinion of it not being a failure is rather valid

That was always going to happen because Star Wars.

Second and third week takes (especially as they will be expecting a holiday 'bump') are where the true story lies. Circa 70% collapse in week 2 does not look good.

[zygalski]

r11co said:

zygalski said:

It grossed well over $600 million in the first week of release.
Box office-wise, TLJ is already a resounding success.

A turd with the Star Wars logo on it will sell. I invested over £30 of my own money to see it going in with no negative expectations. Repeat that millions of time over for people who came out the other end like myself and yes the numbers look good, but it's what comes next that matters.

As I said several times now, forget the reviews and spin on the box-office take - when the writer/director backpedals and lies about not knowing what the character development was in the previous movie in order to justify bad decisions then you know something has gone wrong.

I disliked the film, however it's a financial success. To pretend otherwise seems a bit puerile.

[r11co]

zygalski said:

I disliked the film, however it's a financial success. To pretend otherwise seems a bit puerile.

No-one is saying otherwise.



History is full of examples of people who have invested heavily in a brand in good faith. Doesn't mean that it will continue ad-infinitum when it is becoming apparent that good faith is being abused.

[rustyuk]

Maybe the next one will take a hit. Personally I thought Rogue Squadron was the best of the lot, probably better than Return of the Jedi.

JJ Abrams could teach old Simon Cowell a thing or two about making money from recycled ideas!

I won't be going to the cinema to watch the next in the franchise.

[r11co]

rustyuk said:

Maybe the next one will take a hit.

Ironically I don't think it will as folks will be curious to see how they did themselves out of the st.

People are saying that financial success means the franchise is in good health - well, just take a look at another example of a much-hyped movie in an established franchise - Die Another Day. It was the biggest grossing James Bond film by a huge margin to that date, but still crashed the franchise into the ground requiring a back-to-basics reboot.

Edited by r11co on Sunday 24th December 10:58

[bitchstewie]

r11co said:

bhstewie said:

At the end of the day it's all opinion

Yeah, the ticket sales are just 'opinion'.

No the ticket sales are fact set against a lot of background that I'm not qualified to interpret, but whether they're up or down vs. what's gone before doesn't really change that the film will be a financial success either directly or because kids want Porg toys or whatever spins off the back of it.

I don't care about ticket sales, I care whether I liked the film and I did and some didn't and don't like the way they seem to be taking things - that is just down to opinion.

[Madness60]

Will be interesting to see how TLJ hangs on to really make money.

Looking at boxofficemojo TFA eventually made it to over $2 billion worldwide, Rogue 1 made just over $1billion.

In US,

TFA Week 1 - $391m, week 2 - $261m (33% drop)

Rogue 1 Week 1 - $222m, week 2 - $153m (30% drop)

TLJ Week 1 - $297m, week 2 ???

A bigger drop would worry Disney more than all the critcal whining.

[r11co]

Madness60 said:

A bigger drop would worry Disney more than all the critcal whining.

They are still a long way short of making back that $4 billion.

Lots of very short-sighted people on this thread. Every Star Wars film for the next 10 years has to make a stload of profit and keep people coming back for more before the whole project can even wash its face. The 'box office success' of this one episode in making back twice it's cost is a piss in the ocean.

There's a very prescient comment attached to this article.

deadline Hollywood said:

The whole thing will be burned to the ground in 5 years. If you consider destroying the OT characters, their victories and accomplishments, and destroying their kids, and replacing them with PC archtypes who have all the charisma of a comedic-relief character blown up in the first act of a Roland Emmerich disaster movie – then yeah, Kennedy did her job well.

The above was written on November 17th - a full month before the film was released and two weeks before the press-screenings. The industry is not happy with this film.

Edited by r11co on Sunday 24th December 11:40

[wevster]

RemyMartin81D said:

I'm hugely conflicted.


The Hux bit at the beginning - bks and felt out of
Bombs falling in gravity in space? Come on ffs
The iron bit - nonsense
Casino world - nonsense.
Luke milking and fishing - weird and nonsense
The generally comedic elements - all made me universally cringe
Killing Snoke - waste of a good character and he clearly was very powerful, had force lightening etc
Killing Luke off - utterly unforgivable
Not killing of Leia - the flying bit made me cringe.
Rose - bks
Killing phasma- again....why? Waste of a good character

The story felt weird like stuff happened and for no real reason, I loved the force awakens but this....I hate to say it but was total dogst.

Have to agree with others on leaving the cinema there was a weird atmosphere and also silence.

Very odd experience , I just didn't enjoy it at all. Fairly gutted tbh and have no idea what the final film will be now.

I agree with all of that.

I particularly dislike the handling of Luke's character.

The casino section felt very Fifth Element, a film I hugely dislike.

Kylo Ren's character has been a huge waste in both films, he could have been bad ass, instead he comes across as a whiney teen prone to mistakes.

[tankplanker]

Madness60 said:

Will be interesting to see how TLJ hangs on to really make money.

Looking at boxofficemojo TFA eventually made it to over $2 billion worldwide, Rogue 1 made just over $1billion.

In US,

TFA Week 1 - $391m, week 2 - $261m (33% drop)

Rogue 1 Week 1 - $222m, week 2 - $153m (30% drop)

TLJ Week 1 - $297m, week 2 ???

A bigger drop would worry Disney more than all the critcal whining.

Looking like between 65 and 68% for week two, that's up with Justice League for drop off and Justice League is seen as a failure. Yes it will still make a ton of money but it will fall short of what Disney will have been shooting for. Disney have a ton of big money franchises, with Star Wars at the top of that pile. This will have been squarely aimed at TFA money not hundreds of millions of dollars under that.

If you think Disney won't miss a few hundreds of millions of dollars and won't be having a post mortem over this then I've some magic beans to sell you. So much rubbish is being printed about Empire doing crap numbers for week two it's as if Disney is getting in its excuses already.

Uwe Boil could make a star wars film of nothing but 3 hours of porgs and Jar Jar and it would still do immense week 1 numbers, such is the strength of the fan base.

[Halb]

chris watton said:

ETA - According to Forbes, the Last Jedi has had a 77% ticket plunge!
https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2017/12/23/th...

Maybe a bit early, but I'd guess at it being R1 level of take, or closer to that than TFA.

	Rogue-1	TFA	The Last Jedi
Mon	$17,596,150, -53.3%, $172,677,831	$40,109,742, -33.8%, $288,076,417	$21,556,373, -58%, $241,565,957
Tue	$17,582,978, -0.1%, $190,260,809	$37,361,729, -6.9%, $325,438,146	$20,254,189, -6%, $261,820,146
Wed	$14,965,790, -14.9%, $205,226,599	$38,022,183, +1.8%, $363,460,329	$16,889,863, -16.6%, $278,710,009
Thu	$16,773,075, +12.1%, $221,999,674	$27,395,725, -27.9%, $390,856,054	$17,892,347, +5.9%, $296,602,356
Fri	$22,860,256, +36.3%/-67.8%, $244,859,930	$49,325,663, +80%/-58.6%, $440,181,717	$24,680,000, +37.9%/-76.4%, $321,282,356

[Halb]

r11co said:

That's pretty much it then.

My worry now is that after panic meetings in DIsney offices Johnson will be told to sort it out and he will backtrack even further than he has already and deliver us a 'see, I was just kidding with you' third installment.

Luke wakes up in the shower after a 'force dream'

[Halb]

wevster said:

I agree with all of that.

I particularly dislike the handling of Luke's character.

The casino section felt very Fifth Element, a film I hugely dislike.

Kylo Ren's character has been a huge waste in both films, he could have been bad ass, instead he comes across as a whiney teen prone to mistakes.

YOu're Mark Hamill AICMFP

[Tiggsy]

Wow that was grim.

Wise cracks everywhere.....are all star wars characters now Tony Stark???

Leia flying through space.....do what?

Soooooo long. One chase after another. Countdown to no fuel, countdown to no big door. Only thing I wanted a countdown to was the credits.

Casino land?

And CGI animals everywhere that we are supposed to care about.....the rescue the horse stuff? Really, there’s a war going on and she’s cool as long as the horse gets free?

I’m no fanboy but saw ESB at the cinema as a kid and was a blown away. My 11 year old left this asking when we could watch Jumanji.

Oh, and some odd language used. I realise they speak English......but words like cops, spunk, god speed......felt very out of place.

[wolfracesonic]

wevster said:

I agree with all of that.

I particularly dislike the handling of Luke's character.

The casino section felt very Fifth Element, a film I hugely dislike.

Kylo Ren's character has been a huge waste in both films, he could have been bad ass, instead he comes across as a whiney teen prone to mistakes.

He seemed like a cross between Darth Vader and a Millennial.

[Brainpox]

wolfracesonic said:

He seemed like a cross between Darth Vader and a Millennial.

I think that's what they're aiming for to be honest.

[Halb]

An interesting theory on Mark Hamill, and his sudden mood turn at the premier.

Mark Hamill NEVER Knew About Luke's Fate in The Last Jedi? (Spoilers) | Star Wars The Last Jedi

https://youtu.be/FntZKz9fXp8

pretty darn amusing vid by screenrant

What Went Wrong At The Last Jedi Pitch Meeting

https://youtu.be/1v2PV52WNLY

[AndStilliRise]

I remember feeling the same disappointment for Matrix 2, 20 years ago. I am now determined not to give one more penny to Disney.