Terminator: Genisys
Discussion
qube_TA said:
Given that so many high budget computer games are happy to whack an 18 cert on them I don't know why they're so against making 18 cert films.
Its because the average age of Gamers (much to the denial of the daily mail) is about 26, its where the money is and the age group that has grown up with it and enjoys it.The average age of cinema goers (or so we are led to believe) is the under 16's, they all cram in to see films and the industry is geared toward filling that market. They seem to forget most kids are happy to watch films on handheld screens and don't want t pay £10 to see something they can download. Most film goers are 16-35 in my experience and they want to see 15 and 18 rated films.
Marvel is sort of doing it with 12 rated films that are pretty gritty (in as far as they can) having a laugh and being a bit close to the bone, but with things like the expendables being 18 rated, then suddenly throwing a 12a one for the third just doesn't make sense.
terminator Genysis should be a 15 ideally, The dark Knight proves the market is there.
MiniMan64 said:
Hooli said:
As someone else said, make it the start of the future war. Lead it straight on from T3 & it'd be great.
Have you not seen T4? Either way it's kinda crap and should be forgotten. No doubt the big head Patrick Bateman went and ruined it all otherwise he'd strop off the set or something
Dave
3 was awful too and doesn't really fit in with 2 either.
If you want to make a Terminator film simply ignore all of the old ones:
In the first film a Terminator / soldier was sent back, failed and the future altered due to bits of Arnie being left behind.
2nd film, all Terminators destroyed, original time-line restored.
Therefore either Reese came from the altered future and thus as a result of T2 was never a soldier, it's just a glitch in time that ultimately never happened.
Or the war happened anyway just as depicted, just the circumstances that triggered it were different. In The original unaltered timeline Reese would go back to the 80's as before.
Or, the war did happen but was completely different under the original time-line, the protagonists are thus different also. (T3 attempted this but did it in a shoddy half-arsed way blaming a computer virus)
If you pick the 3rd option then you could start with 'All that you know is wrong, it never actually happened.......' then create your new story, with all new characters without the need to try and crowbar them all together.
If you want to make a Terminator film simply ignore all of the old ones:
In the first film a Terminator / soldier was sent back, failed and the future altered due to bits of Arnie being left behind.
2nd film, all Terminators destroyed, original time-line restored.
Therefore either Reese came from the altered future and thus as a result of T2 was never a soldier, it's just a glitch in time that ultimately never happened.
Or the war happened anyway just as depicted, just the circumstances that triggered it were different. In The original unaltered timeline Reese would go back to the 80's as before.
Or, the war did happen but was completely different under the original time-line, the protagonists are thus different also. (T3 attempted this but did it in a shoddy half-arsed way blaming a computer virus)
If you pick the 3rd option then you could start with 'All that you know is wrong, it never actually happened.......' then create your new story, with all new characters without the need to try and crowbar them all together.
qube_TA said:
3 was awful too and doesn't really fit in with 2 either.
If you want to make a Terminator film simply ignore all of the old ones:
In the first film a Terminator / soldier was sent back, failed and the future altered due to bits of Arnie being left behind.
2nd film, all Terminators destroyed, original time-line restored.
Therefore either Reese came from the altered future and thus as a result of T2 was never a soldier, it's just a glitch in time that ultimately never happened.
Or the war happened anyway just as depicted, just the circumstances that triggered it were different. In The original unaltered timeline Reese would go back to the 80's as before.
Or, the war did happen but was completely different under the original time-line, the protagonists are thus different also. (T3 attempted this but did it in a shoddy half-arsed way blaming a computer virus)
If you pick the 3rd option then you could start with 'All that you know is wrong, it never actually happened.......' then create your new story, with all new characters without the need to try and crowbar them all together.
You need to be pretty clear on timelines when you start time travelling.If you want to make a Terminator film simply ignore all of the old ones:
In the first film a Terminator / soldier was sent back, failed and the future altered due to bits of Arnie being left behind.
2nd film, all Terminators destroyed, original time-line restored.
Therefore either Reese came from the altered future and thus as a result of T2 was never a soldier, it's just a glitch in time that ultimately never happened.
Or the war happened anyway just as depicted, just the circumstances that triggered it were different. In The original unaltered timeline Reese would go back to the 80's as before.
Or, the war did happen but was completely different under the original time-line, the protagonists are thus different also. (T3 attempted this but did it in a shoddy half-arsed way blaming a computer virus)
If you pick the 3rd option then you could start with 'All that you know is wrong, it never actually happened.......' then create your new story, with all new characters without the need to try and crowbar them all together.
But I like the logic that whatever you think you're doing to change things, is just making the inevitable future you came from occur to begin with.
Films that stuck to that approach would be possibly more harrowing because of it.
T3 ending kinda gets to that idea which was nice... it made everything seems a bit pointless but at the same time they wouldn't have done anything differently as it was their drive to survive that led them to where they were.
Hmmm
Mr Whippy said:
MiniMan64 said:
Hooli said:
As someone else said, make it the start of the future war. Lead it straight on from T3 & it'd be great.
Have you not seen T4? Dave
He's have to work his way though, earn the respect we see him have in the future. T4 was supposed to be the first in a new trilogy set entirely in the future which I presume would have ended with T6 showing Laser-wars and a big final battle to get Reece through the time portal/vortex/tunnel.
It had a lot of promise and there some bits I really love but overall they really blew it.
MiniMan64 said:
Mr Whippy said:
MiniMan64 said:
Hooli said:
As someone else said, make it the start of the future war. Lead it straight on from T3 & it'd be great.
Have you not seen T4? Dave
He's have to work his way though, earn the respect we see him have in the future. T4 was supposed to be the first in a new trilogy set entirely in the future which I presume would have ended with T6 showing Laser-wars and a big final battle to get Reece through the time portal/vortex/tunnel.
It had a lot of promise and there some bits I really love but overall they really blew it.
I'd have subscribed to it if it were good... but it didn't convey that sense in the film. The characters and history of John Connor in particular just didn't fit with what had gone before.
But hey, this is Patrick Bateman for you, reinventing the wheel and tearing everything up to portray his vision, which turned out to be a crap one.
Ie, the bit where he's torturing the Terminator that thinks (and is) a real person inside. John Connor we see in T1, T2 and T3 would never do that even to a Terminator. He's portrayed as sensitive and considerate and wouldn't hurt something that might really be alive, especially after his experiences with the T2 and T3 'goodie' Terminators.
Dave
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