The Falcon and The Winter Soldier

[bolidemichael]

ajprice said:

ch37 said:

Minor issue, but Russell looks fine without the head gear on, but for whatever reason he looks terrible with it on, it looks worryingly close to a cheap Avengers knock-off at the moment. Maybe that's exactly the plan though...I've no idea if they are planning to broadly follow the comics or not.

Precisely

[MiniMan64]

Oddly I had forgotten that Bucky was a super solider and wasn’t just a bloke with a knife invincible arm and mental issues.

Question, is the general assumption that ‘old’ Steve Rodgers has died at this point?

[Radec]

MiniMan64 said:

Question, is the general assumption that ‘old’ Steve Rodgers has died at this point?

US president now

[bolidemichael]

Radec said:

MiniMan64 said:

Question, is the general assumption that ‘old’ Steve Rodgers has died at this point?

US president now

[London424]

Good episode today...will need to remind myself who a few of the people that pop are again though.

[Radec]

Yes good episode almost felt like watching a mini film.

Think this is going to pan out like the duo realise the flag smashers are the good guys and team up with them to take out the power broker.
Captain America 2.0 will end up battling them also and Sam will take the shield from him.

Cap might also get injected with the super serum and turn into a villain.

[ajprice]

London424 said:

Good episode today...will need to remind myself who a few of the people that pop are again though.

Was the woman at the end one of the main Wakandan warriors in Black Panther etc.?

[SpudLink]

ajprice said:

London424 said:

Good episode today...will need to remind myself who a few of the people that pop are again though.

Was the woman at the end one of the main Wakandan warriors in Black Panther etc.?

Yes, she was. One of their elite guard. And the bead things Bucky found are Wakanda tech.

[Radec]

SpudLink said:

ajprice said:

London424 said:

Good episode today...will need to remind myself who a few of the people that pop are again though.

Was the woman at the end one of the main Wakandan warriors in Black Panther etc.?

Yes, she was. One of their elite guard. And the bead things Bucky found are Wakanda tech.

Yeah she's called Ayo, one of Black Panthers bodyguards I think, probably come to get Zemo in revenge for killing the king.

p.s, did anyone else find Zemo's dancing at the party hilarious

[anonymous-user]

Radec said:

Yes good episode almost felt like watching a mini film.

Think this is going to pan out like the duo realise the flag smashers are the good guys and team up with them to take out the power broker.
Captain America 2.0 will end up battling them also and Sam will take the shield from him.

Cap might also get injected with the super serum and turn into a villain.

If this follows Wandavision in being an origin story, maybe Sam will also get the serum so he can take down John Walker and retrieve the shield.

[highway]

At this point are we to believe John Walker has as has not taken the serum? I’m going with not.

[DeejRC]

The Flagsmashers are not going to get the full good guys treatment after Carli blew the building with the tied up ppl still inside. Walker is obviously going to get a fall from good guy grace.

[DonBarracuda]

Is it me or is the writing getting worse, I'm getting strong Justice League 2017 vibes. Story has gotten less interesting for me, the introduction of "player 3" (avoiding spoilers) could be interesting, hopefully it's not just a cameo

[p1stonhead]

highway said:

At this point are we to believe John Walker has as has not taken the serum? I’m going with not.

I agree.

Surely one punch from a super soldier and a ‘normal’ guy would be dead. Let alone flying into that car windscreen on the motorway.

[Mr. White]

p1stonhead said:

highway said:

At this point are we to believe John Walker has as has not taken the serum? I’m going with not.

I agree.

Surely one punch from a super soldier and a ‘normal’ guy would be dead. Let alone flying into that car windscreen on the motorway.

it would be interesting if both he and Sam take the serum and we then have a "real" CA v "fake" CA storyline where the "real" CA (JW) is the bad guy but has the USA! USA! USA! lot supporting him "because he's CA", whereas Sam is portrayed as the villain to the public (the serum amplifies what's already inside, and JW seems to be an ahole).

Or is that too "Homelander"?

[crofty1984]

ajprice said:

Exactly. He's not a bad looking fella without it, but with the hat on he looks like a village gurning champion.

[forrestgrump]

My question would be why is John Walker going round interrogating people in a stretchy outfit on behalf of the Govt when "Iron Patriot" exists. What's Rhodey doing? Surely that's the best bet for a Captain America given the suit..

Bar scene in this one again showing why Bucky makes a better bad guy also.

[highway]

I think there will be a downside to the newer serum that effectively sends people bonkers. That explains why the woman was happy to kill people in the building. I could see John Walkers pal, Battlestar, being killed perhaps as result of his not being ‘strong’ enough to save him. He will take the serum it’s only a matter of time.
Sam won’t.
It’s all comics derived but effectively it’s a performance enhancer and I don’t see Disney advocating it without showing the downside.
Interesting how they got an explanation in ad to why the persons physique doesn’t change post serum as well.

[DanL]

I think it’s inevitable that the end of this arc will result in Sam being Captain America. This was clearly set up at the end of the last film, and I don’t think they’d change this through events that happened “off screen” and unseen by anyone who wasn’t watching on Disney+.

My prediction is they’ll bring it full circle, and people who just watch the films and don’t pay for Disney will just see Sam being Captain America in the next one, as expected - probably just starting out in the role. Those who have Disney+ will have some more background to how this happened, with his angst about giving the shield away and then things going wrong that result in him reclaiming it.

I wouldn’t want to guess whether his reclaiming it will be “official”, or off book and not recognised by the powers that be. Either would work with the ending of the film, and you could imagine part of the next film he’s in being him proving that he’s “fit” for the role of Captain America to the US government by performing some heroic actions, and then being officially recognised as the new Captain America.

[MiniMan64]

forrestgrump said:

My question would be why is John Walker going round interrogating people in a stretchy outfit on behalf of the Govt when "Iron Patriot" exists. What's Rhodey doing? Surely that's the best bet for a Captain America given the suit..

Bar scene in this one again showing why Bucky makes a better bad guy also.

I think Rhodey is probably retired between losing the use of his legs and Tony’s death.