James Bond: Spectre

[irocfan]

GetCarter said:

Zod said:

RyanTank said:

Answers to the "why was the DB10 so drifty?"

Mark Higgins (former british rally champion) was piloting the Aston during the chase scenes.
He's more accustomed to going sideways more than a straight line

Drifting got it round the tight corners!

Short wheelbase, lots of power.

..and the slowest way round!

well seeing as neither bond nor baddie are professional drivers wouldn't this constitute being an accurate portrayal of drivers doing their very best?

[Zod]

irocfan said:

GetCarter said:

Zod said:

RyanTank said:

Answers to the "why was the DB10 so drifty?"

Mark Higgins (former british rally champion) was piloting the Aston during the chase scenes.
He's more accustomed to going sideways more than a straight line

Drifting got it round the tight corners!

Short wheelbase, lots of power.

..and the slowest way round!

well seeing as neither bond nor baddie are professional drivers wouldn't this constitute being an accurate portrayal of drivers doing their very best?

Bond has always been portrayed as an expert driver.

[Halb]

Seen it...I thought Skyfall was awful, I liked CR and QoS.

The train fight was bad (Jaws, Tee-Hee and Red) all has train fights, this one was reminiscent of Red's, which is still my favourite film fight. Mendes can't film fight scenes.

Why was Hinx there? Bond was clearly going to the secret hidden base, and Blofeld was simply waiting for his arrival. Another ill thought device that was simply there for a sloppily filmed fight.

I agree with posters who say it felt like a set-piece to set-piece. Plot seemed to take a sideline to jump from one thing to another. Bond is going back to old habits.

That seemed to me to give the film a hollow feel, though ultimately I did enjoy it and felt it was a big improvement over the atrocious Skyfall.

I love both the Lotus/stealth boat ideas! Most excellent!

Bond needs to go in a new direction, this stuff is so old. I also like the idea of a 15 cert, sounds good. I was surprised by the eyeball gouging scene...did the guy suddenly turn mute? I know he 'went somewhere else' in his head, but the first few seconds there'd be unbearable screaming surely?

The theme song, worst one I've heard, can't recall any others from Craig feem toons. Die Another Day is the last one I recall. The World is Not Enough enough is the last one that I quite like. Goldeneye the last classic.

The car chase...bit slow and not really a chase, more of a race? Had no tension, seemed rather weird.

http://www.jamesbondlifestyle.com/product/tom-ford...
money>sense

Any whinging over Bond girls is pretty fking pathetic. I've not fancied a lot of the female co-stars, but doesn't mean they're not lookers.

Bautista was certainly well used. He fit the monosyllabic Drax the Destroyer with his monosyllabic delivery like AhNold fit an emotionless robot and Canoe Reeves fits an emotionally sterile surfer/IT nerd.
Christoph Waltz was massively underused. More time with him! And establishing his character and all that.

Blofeld has always been an effete villain and never thuggish. Many of the Moore villains also took the same route, Blomberg, Drax etc.

Other Bond films have also acknowledged those that came before it before.

I too noticed Craig's wardrobe. Tight suits...very tight. One has to have a gut of steel to look like that in a shirt that seems 3 sizes too small. Parts of the film seemed like an advert of wardrobe and garage, harking back to the old days.

Zod said:

I thought he was going to pull out a gun and kill her when he was lying on the ground at the end.

I half expected Bautista to emerge and snap her neck. Even though I had read in this thread that it was a happy ending.

[Disastrous]

Halb said:

I too noticed Craig's wardrobe. Tight suits...very tight. One has to have a gut of steel to look like that in a shirt that seems 3 sizes too small.

We thought even he looked fat in those suits!

[Halb]

Disastrous said:

Halb said:

I too noticed Craig's wardrobe. Tight suits...very tight. One has to have a gut of steel to look like that in a shirt that seems 3 sizes too small.

We thought even he looked fat in those suits!

Yeah. There's also a scene where he is reclining and the gaps between his buttons must be an inch or so stretched by his muscular manly chest!

[highway]

Considering that the new film has taken more money than any other bond film prior ,smashing box office records in the process and becoming the highest grossing British film ever, I woe be surprised if DC didn't do another. The new film completely breaks with Bond tradition in establishing finally some continuity between one film and the next. The producers seem keen to go in another direction and the Craig & Mendes formula seems profitable.

For that reason they would surely be bonkers to look to recast reboot and effectively start the whole thing again. That said I thought Warners would pay Nolan and Christian Bale £££££££££ to do more Batman but it hasn't happened

[Halb]

highway said:

The new film completely breaks with Bond tradition in establishing finally some continuity between one film and the next. The producers seem keen to go in another direction and the Craig & Mendes formula seems profitable.

SPECTRE was the big villain of many Bond films, and Bond has visited the grave of his dead wife. There is continuity back in the old films, plus many nods to preceding films in previous films.

Edited by Halb on Monday 2nd November 19:06

[rubystone]

audidoody said:

I'm popping out later to Harrods to buy Craig's Tom Ford bomber jacket from the snow chase scene. Only £1,400. And I'll swing by the watch counter to pick up the £4,500 Omega with the canvas NATO.

Not sure the jacket was Ford.

You'll be lucky on both. Both long sold out.

But sunglasses are TF Snowden Havana (not shiny black)

[rubystone]

dom9 said:

For those who were a bit disappointed (me included) - I just watched The Man From U.N.C.L.E. and enjoyed that, quite 'Bond' in many ways!

Are you referring to the Guy Ritchie movie? My god that was a piece of abject crap. No redeeming features whatsoever

[HarryW]

anonymous said:

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Went on Saturday and this pretty much sums up my take on it. It never really took the step up in pace or action I was hoping for.

[Animal]

rubystone said:

audidoody said:

I'm popping out later to Harrods to buy Craig's Tom Ford bomber jacket from the snow chase scene. Only £1,400. And I'll swing by the watch counter to pick up the £4,500 Omega with the canvas NATO.

Not sure the jacket was Ford.

You'll be lucky on both. Both long sold out.

But sunglasses are TF Snowden Havana (not shiny black)

It's OK, Harrods have still got some of the Tom Ford polo shirts in stock. They're only £550 each so you can get one of each colour!

[highway]

Halb said:

SPECTRE was the big villain of many Bond films, and Bond has visited the grave of his dead wife. There is continuity back in the old films, plus many nods to preceding films in previous films.

Edited by Halb on Monday 2nd November 19:06

Spectre and Blofeld were referenced in some of the earlier films. The big difference here is they finally referred to the events and characters from the past Daniel Craig films. There was never any linking of events from Live and Let Die, to Man with Golden Gun to Spy Who loved me other than Jaws apple eating in two films.

Batista will almost certainly be back. They left the opportunity for it. As I said, this has proved so successful I'd imagine the incentive for Craig and Mendes to commit to another will be unprecedented.

I know The Rog Moore films always featured him with younger women but I'm surprised no one here has mentioned just how young the (forgettable ) female lead looked against DC. More like his daughter than his partner...maybe that's just James Bond...

[Halb]

highway said:

Spectre and Blofeld were referenced in some of the earlier films. The big difference here is they finally referred to the events and characters from the past Daniel Craig films. There was never any linking of events from Live and Let Die, to Man with Golden Gun to Spy Who loved me other than Jaws apple eating in two films.

Once Moore took over the spectre of SPECTRE ended, and so did the references. And was finally kicked off for good (seemingly) when Moore visited his wife's grave and dropped the (once gain) off-screen and bald Blofeld into a chimney stack. Though interestingly, this occurred in Moore's fifth film.

[Zod]

Halb said:

highway said:

Spectre and Blofeld were referenced in some of the earlier films. The big difference here is they finally referred to the events and characters from the past Daniel Craig films. There was never any linking of events from Live and Let Die, to Man with Golden Gun to Spy Who loved me other than Jaws apple eating in two films.

Once Moore took over the spectre of SPECTRE ended, and so did the references. And was finally kicked off for good (seemingly) when Moore visited his wife's grave and dropped the (once gain) off-screen and bald Blofeld into a chimney stack. Though interestingly, this occurred in Moore's fifth film.

yes, I always found that odd.

[Halb]

Zod said:

Halb said:

highway said:

Spectre and Blofeld were referenced in some of the earlier films. The big difference here is they finally referred to the events and characters from the past Daniel Craig films. There was never any linking of events from Live and Let Die, to Man with Golden Gun to Spy Who loved me other than Jaws apple eating in two films.

Once Moore took over the spectre of SPECTRE ended, and so did the references. And was finally kicked off for good (seemingly) when Moore visited his wife's grave and dropped the (once gain) off-screen and bald Blofeld into a chimney stack. Though interestingly, this occurred in Moore's fifth film.

yes, I always found that odd.

Maybe they got whiff of the upcoming Thunderball remake and wished to pooh-pooh it?

[DoctorX]

Halb said:

Zod said:

Halb said:

highway said:

Spectre and Blofeld were referenced in some of the earlier films. The big difference here is they finally referred to the events and characters from the past Daniel Craig films. There was never any linking of events from Live and Let Die, to Man with Golden Gun to Spy Who loved me other than Jaws apple eating in two films.

Once Moore took over the spectre of SPECTRE ended, and so did the references. And was finally kicked off for good (seemingly) when Moore visited his wife's grave and dropped the (once gain) off-screen and bald Blofeld into a chimney stack. Though interestingly, this occurred in Moore's fifth film.

yes, I always found that odd.

Maybe they got whiff of the upcoming Thunderball remake and wished to pooh-pooh it?

They didn't have the rights to use the character (the guy who made Never Say Never Again did I think) - they only got them back a couple of years ago. Although Blofeld was dropped down the chimney in For Your Eyes Only, they didn't refer to him by name.

ETA: this sums it up nicely
http://www.moviemuser.co.uk/Features/4167/The-Batt...

Edited by DoctorX on Monday 2nd November 23:21

[glazbagun]

highway said:

I know The Rog Moore films always featured him with younger women but I'm surprised no one here has mentioned just how young the (forgettable ) female lead looked against DC. More like his daughter than his partner...maybe that's just James Bond...

It has been mentioned, though I actually thought she was one of the better bond girls, like Maryam d'Abo might have been had she a spine though I agree that Craig actually looked more at home with Bellucci than Seydoux. I actually like the idea mentioned above of their relationship just sort of petering out as she ends up with a more normal human being. But yeah, a bit young for it to look natural. Realistically she probably has more in common with Q than Bond.

Almost OT, but I was amazed that Scarlett Johansson was only 18 when Lost in Translation was filmed. I watched her strange relationship with a washed up 52 year old Bill Murray unfold and it never seemed anywhere near as unlikely as any of the girls falling for James Bond even after he'd just saved the world.

Edited by glazbagun on Monday 2nd November 23:33

[Halb]

DoctorX said:

They didn't have the rights to use the character (the guy who made Never Say Never Again did I think) - they only got them back a couple of years ago. Although Blofeld was dropped down the chimney in For Your Eyes Only, they didn't refer to him by name.

ETA: this sums it up nicely
http://www.moviemuser.co.uk/Features/4167/The-Batt...

Edited by DoctorX on Monday 2nd November 23:21

Yes I know.
The point is that they waited a significant period of time before playing with it. The Thunderball remake was close enough that they might have got whiff of funding, and decided to utilise their last chance to rubbish the character before it got released.

[Disastrous]

DoctorX said:

Halb said:

Zod said:

Halb said:

highway said:

Spectre and Blofeld were referenced in some of the earlier films. The big difference here is they finally referred to the events and characters from the past Daniel Craig films. There was never any linking of events from Live and Let Die, to Man with Golden Gun to Spy Who loved me other than Jaws apple eating in two films.

Once Moore took over the spectre of SPECTRE ended, and so did the references. And was finally kicked off for good (seemingly) when Moore visited his wife's grave and dropped the (once gain) off-screen and bald Blofeld into a chimney stack. Though interestingly, this occurred in Moore's fifth film.

yes, I always found that odd.

Maybe they got whiff of the upcoming Thunderball remake and wished to pooh-pooh it?

They didn't have the rights to use the character (the guy who made Never Say Never Again did I think) - they only got them back a couple of years ago. Although Blofeld was dropped down the chimney in For Your Eyes Only, they didn't refer to him by name.

ETA: this sums it up nicely
http://www.moviemuser.co.uk/Features/4167/The-Batt...

Edited by DoctorX on Monday 2nd November 23:21

Also features the rather bizarre offer from Blofeld before he gets dropped - "I'll buy you a delicatessen...in stainless STEEL!"

[RegMolehusband]

Having read a lot of this thread before going on Friday night I paid particular attention during the car chase. Most of it took place on cobbled roads which provide next to no grip, hence the slow speed drifting.