Star Wars IX: The Rise of Skywalker

[Halb]

bloomen said:

I liked her actual performance. I didn't like the story she was forced to tell.

I'm going to save your life...and endanger the lives of every single other person and the goals of the rebel alliance!

[bloomen]

Halb said:

I'm going to save your life...and endanger the lives of every single other person and the goals of the rebel alliance!

And all she got was a platonic shoulder squeeze in the sequel.

[Halb]

bloomen said:

And all she got was a platonic shoulder squeeze in the sequel.

I watched the RLM chat before I watched the film, so I was expecting that, it was pretty funny,
'I've got some filing to do.'
'Ta mate, seeya.'

[Guvernator]

There was zero chemistry between her and Finn tbh which made their relationship a bit unbelievable.

[JagLover]

Guvernator said:

bhstewie said:

Quite.

Galaxy full of aliens and a key character is a 7 foot tall walking carpet named Chewbacca? No problem, seems believable right?

Chinese girl OMG it's outrageous no way should there be Chinese people in Star Wars films and she's female too, they're just doing it to sell more Star Wars stuff in China.

And like you I'm not trying to score "internet points" this stuff genuinely didn't occur to me until I read the threads having seen the last two films.

It's a weird way to see life.

I've seen quite a few comments like this now so this isn't aimed at you personally but if people think the only reason detractors didn't like TLJ was because it had a Chinese girl in it then they've missed the point completely.

They are deliberately missing the point so they can parade how much more enlightened they are. Same with comments about complaints about "black characters" , when too my knowledge, there has never been a single complaint on PHs on any of the new Star Wars threads about this.

[bitchstewie]

Guvernator said:

I've seen quite a few comments like this now so this isn't aimed at you personally but if people think the only reason detractors didn't like TLJ was because it had a Chinese girl in it then they've missed the point completely.

I've absolutely no issue with people picking the plot apart or simply saying "I didn't like that".

I've read a few critical pieces with hindsight I can see some of the points raised around plot lines but it didn't detract from watching the film.

What I'm talking about is when people post up things like Kathleen Kennedy wearing a "The Force is Female" tee shirt and use things like that as criticism as it's inferring white men don't matter.

Maybe it's because I deliberately avoided reading anything at all before watching it so I went in totally in the dark around what to expect.

I don't know it just seems as if people are looking for reasons not to enjoy the film(s) and when you have people complaining about political correctness in "a galaxy far far away" it's all a bit odd.

[Rumblestripe]

JagLover said:

They are deliberately missing the point so they can parade how much more enlightened they are. Same with comments about complaints about "black characters" , when too my knowledge, there has never been a single complaint on PHs on any of the new Star Wars threads about this.

It is nuanced.

There was a long thread on here about TLJ in which one of the criticisms was that there were no "white male role models" in the film, the heroes all being female, the purple haired admiral a particular target for ire. Poe Damaron was cited but he was the "hispanic" and didn't count (apparently). The same criticism was aimed at the new incarnation of Dr. Who. For the complainants it is seemingly impossible to indentify with characters who are not from their own demographic. From which you should draw your own conclusions.

[bloomen]

Rumblestripe said:

For the complainants it is seemingly impossible to indentify with characters who are not from their own demographic. From which you should draw your own conclusions.

I'm hoping cinemas will identify their pain and in future hold simultaneous screenings of Who Dares Wins for all the people who've been agitated. A strong dose of Lewis Collins kicking bot will keep them quiet while their gays and ethnics and womens watch the real film.

[JagLover]

Rumblestripe said:

JagLover said:

They are deliberately missing the point so they can parade how much more enlightened they are. Same with comments about complaints about "black characters" , when too my knowledge, there has never been a single complaint on PHs on any of the new Star Wars threads about this.

It is nuanced.

There was a long thread on here about TLJ in which one of the criticisms was that there were no "white male role models" in the film, the heroes all being female, the purple haired admiral a particular target for ire. Poe Damaron was cited but he was the "hispanic" and didn't count (apparently). The same criticism was aimed at the new incarnation of Dr. Who. For the complainants it is seemingly impossible to indentify with characters who are not from their own demographic. From which you should draw your own conclusions.

"Representation" seems to be all important whenever we are talking of any other communities.

The market for Star Wars was predominantly male and no doubt white males were a large part of that. It seemed a deliberate strategy by the filmmakers to only have this demographic represented by original cast members however and then they carried out a character assassination on one of those original cast members and had the other be such a failure as a father he was killed by his own son.

Personally I was quite happy for the protagonist this time round to be a pretty young girl and Star Wars was hardly ground-breaking in doing this. As many modern franchises already went down this route. I think though if you combine the deliberate politicisation of Star Wars, with the treatment of the original cast and the fact that the only new white male characters were villains then they were making a deliberate statement.

They still wanted to take our money though, relying on the nostalgia we feel for the original trilogy

[warch]

bhstewie said:

I've absolutely no issue with people picking the plot apart or simply saying "I didn't like that".

I've read a few critical pieces with hindsight I can see some of the points raised around plot lines but it didn't detract from watching the film.

What I'm talking about is when people post up things like Kathleen Kennedy wearing a "The Force is Female" tee shirt and use things like that as criticism as it's inferring white men don't matter.

Maybe it's because I deliberately avoided reading anything at all before watching it so I went in totally in the dark around what to expect.

I don't know it just seems as if people are looking for reasons not to enjoy the film(s) and when you have people complaining about political correctness in "a galaxy far far away" it's all a bit odd.

I agree with all of that. I can absolutely see why people who like the original films might not get along with the new ones. The action film genre has changed immensely since the mid 70s, so much so that Star Wars/Superman or Jaws barely compare to their modern equivalents.

I too didn't really watch anything about the film, I might have seen one or two of the trailers on YouTube. I did notice a preponderance of click baity videos explaining why a film that hadn't been released yet was going to be terrible, which made me think that quite a few people had already made up their mind long before the film came out.

[bitchstewie]

JagLover said:

"Representation" seems to be all important whenever we are talking of any other communities.

The market for Star Wars was predominantly male and no doubt white males were a large part of that. It seemed a deliberate strategy by the filmmakers to only have this demographic represented by original cast members however and then they carried out a character assassination on one of those original cast members and had the other be such a failure as a father he was killed by his own son.

Personally I was quite happy for the protagonist this time round to be a pretty young girl and Star Wars was hardly ground-breaking in doing this. As many modern franchises already went down this route. I think though if you combine the deliberate politicisation of Star Wars, with the treatment of the original cast and the fact that the only new white male characters were villains then they were making a deliberate statement.

They still wanted to take our money though, relying on the nostalgia we feel for the original trilogy

You really got all that from Rey, Finn, and Poe and the last three films

[Halb]

JagLover said:

They still wanted to take our money though, relying on the nostalgia we feel for the original trilogy

Well at least they know they cocked up horribly by putting SW films on hold for three years.

warch said:

I did notice a preponderance of click baity videos explaining why a film that hadn't been released yet was going to be terrible, which made me think that quite a few people had already made up their mind long before the film came out.

THe story was leaked in the summer (alongside the elements in story that was changed). There were sufficient people inside who were very unhappy with proceedings.

[JagLover]

Halb said:

JagLover said:

They still wanted to take our money though, relying on the nostalgia we feel for the original trilogy

Well at least they know they cocked up horribly by putting SW films on hold for three years.

Well now Star Wars is over at least we have a number of other amazing movies to look forward to in 2020

Rich Evans watches 2020 movie trailers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0eSyLb6FE0

The saddest thing about that compilation of trailers is that the one with the CGI hedgehog looked the best one.

[g3org3y]

bhstewie said:

What I'm talking about is when people post up things like Kathleen Kennedy wearing a "The Force is Female" tee shirt and use things like that as criticism as it's inferring white men don't matter.

Actually I posted it in reply to someone who suggested that there was no agenda pushing in the new Star Wars films.

[warch]

I don't really feel like any agenda was really pushed within the sequel Trilogy. I didn't see anyone on screen wearing a The Force is Female t-shirt.

There is no sustained anti-war/anti-violence/anti-authoritarian message across the three films that wasn't there in the previous films. After all George Lucas did publicaly claim that his original films were a reaction against the Vietnam war and that the character of the Emperor was inspired by Richard Nixon.

As for pushing feminism, and gender politics, apart from Rey and the girl in Rogue One, the films are still dominated by male actors, and there are no obvious LBGT characterisations either (apart from a blink and you'd miss it example in the final film).

There are a lot more non white actors in the new films but we're all cool with that yeah?

[AshVX220]

Halb said:

then there's this one it's more of a fan boy whinge, but as it's succinct and lists off the stupid decisions, it's fairly decent as whinges go.
Star Wars: The Sequel Trilogy - "Canon is Overrated"
RetroBlasting
https://youtu.be/Df1xHolUT-s

This one is a particularly good video and good rant, I pretty much agree with everything he's said and all the problems he's highlighted.

[Rumblestripe]

And we're back to posting links to You Tube rants.

FFS no-one cares, or should care, that much.

If you enjoy dressing up as a Storm Trooper that's fine, if you watch the films as silly pop corn disposable cinema, that's OK too. But please note that posting You Tube videos of someone who happens to elucidate your own opinion either more rabidly or more lucidly will not convince anyone else of anything other than you need to get out more.

1. Irony

[Halb]

Rumblestripe said:

And we're back to posting links to You Tube rants.

FFS no-one cares, or should care, that much.

1. Irony

and we're back to dissing the people who post whatever, irony indeed. FFS fella, you don't like it, fine, scroll past, but stop getting your knickers inna twist over people who wanna post links or chat about them, you're not the fking king of this place!

[Guvernator]

Posting multiples times on a Star Wars thread that people are getting too precious about the films and should stop posting about them.

I also love the fact that terms like nerds and people living in basements are constantly being thrown around in a derogatory fashion when a large part of the Star Wars fan base is made of fans who are quite into the franchise. Something that various posters, the general media and indeed Disney seem to be very keen to denegrate when it's exactly because of those fans that the interest in Star Wars has survived so long.

[AshVX220]

Guvernator said:

Posting multiples times on a Star Wars thread that people are getting too precious about the films and should stop posting about them.

I also love the fact that terms like nerds and people living in basements are constantly being thrown around in a derogatory fashion when a large part of the Star Wars fan base is made of fans who are quite into the franchise. Something that various posters, the general media and indeed Disney seem to be very keen to denegrate when it's exactly because of those fans that the interest in Star Wars has survived so long.

Indeed, and as I've mentioned before, who are the ones that will be buying the merchandise and keeping the franchise alive in 20-30 years? The same people Disney have been openly condemning since TLJ was released.