Best Sci-fi films?
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Renquist said:
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ChiChoAndy said:
When I was wee, Krull had one of the saddest moments in film...
...when the Cyclops fellow came galloping when they needed his help, and sacrificed himself in the squishy door thing.
Yeh that was sad...there were some good moments in it, the old green man, the spider....and you get to see both Robbie Coltrane and Liam Neeson as young actors. Robbie is even slimish....when the Cyclops fellow came galloping when they needed his help, and sacrificed himself in the squishy door thing.
edit, Star Wars, yes it is cience fiction, one of the best, fantasy and sci-fi and not mutually exclusive, also if a story can be transposd does not remove it from it's chosen genre (Forbidden Planet is sci-fi while the Tempest is not) and even on those rules, hyperspace cannot be transposed anywhere. Star Wars was the first lived in space film?
Edited by Halb on Tuesday 26th July 22:53
Halb said:
Yeh that was sad...there were some good moments in it, the old green man, the spider....and you get to see both Robbie Coltrane and Liam Neeson as young actors. Robbie is even slimish.
edit, Star Wars, yes it is cience fiction, one of the best, fantasy and sci-fi and not mutually exclusive, also if a story can be transposd does not remove it from it's chosen genre (Forbidden Planet is sci-fi while the Tempest is not) and even on those rules, hyperspace cannot be transposed anywhere. Star Wars was the first lived in space film?
I agree with you about them not being mutually exclusive and that SW is just great. edit, Star Wars, yes it is cience fiction, one of the best, fantasy and sci-fi and not mutually exclusive, also if a story can be transposd does not remove it from it's chosen genre (Forbidden Planet is sci-fi while the Tempest is not) and even on those rules, hyperspace cannot be transposed anywhere. Star Wars was the first lived in space film?
However science fiction is really about how the science has affected the peoples/cultures etc. Just because something is set in a galaxy far far away doesn't automatically make it SF. 
The futuristic stuff (hyperspace etc) in Star Wars is a backdrop rather than an intrinsic part of the plot. i.e. substitute a fast horse or a getaway car as a mechanism to allow the heroes to escape. There is no examination through the plot of Star Wars to examine how the ability to use hyperspace has affected cultures in a broader context. Therefore the argument that SW is SF cannot be made from that perspective...
Good debate but I feel I am derailing the OP thread, sorry
Krull could have been so much better, was disappointing considering the amount of UK talent in it and of course they overdubbed Lysette Anthony with some American bints voice. That's just not cricket old bean!
Trace
I know it's been mentioned a few times in this thread, but a +1 from me.
Sure, it rips-off 2001, Event Horizon, Dark Star, Alien and others, either in visual style or bits of plot, but it is just stunning to look at. A British SFX team was responsible, and it all looks exactly how you would imagine a space mission to the sun would look and feel like in 50 years time. OK, it has an Event Horizon-ish plot device in the last 1/3 which is a little incongruous, but the atmosphere, tension and pacing as the crew attempt to complete their mission is terrific. Just don't dwell too long on the dying sun/fusion bomb to restart it 'physics'.
First-rate soundtrack too. The music really complements the visuals.
speedtwelve said:
I know it's been mentioned a few times in this thread, but a +1 from me.
Sure, it rips-off 2001, Event Horizon, Dark Star, Alien and others, either in visual style or bits of plot, but it is just stunning to look at. A British SFX team was responsible, and it all looks exactly how you would imagine a space mission to the sun would look and feel like in 50 years time. OK, it has an Event Horizon-ish plot device in the last 1/3 which is a little incongruous, but the atmosphere, tension and pacing as the crew attempt to complete their mission is terrific. Just don't dwell too long on the dying sun/fusion bomb to restart it 'physics'.
First-rate soundtrack too. The music really complements the visuals.
Halb said:
edit, Star Wars, yes it is cience fiction, one of the best, fantasy and sci-fi and not mutually exclusive, also if a story can be transposd does not remove it from it's chosen genre (Forbidden Planet is sci-fi while the Tempest is not) and even on those rules, hyperspace cannot be transposed anywhere. Star Wars was the first lived in space film?
On the subject of transposing stories... 
Ace-T said:
I agree with you about them not being mutually exclusive and that SW is just great. However science fiction is really about how the science has affected the peoples/cultures etc. Just because something is set in a galaxy far far away doesn't automatically make it SF.
The futuristic stuff (hyperspace etc) in Star Wars is a backdrop rather than an intrinsic part of the plot. i.e. substitute a fast horse or a getaway car as a mechanism to allow the heroes to escape. There is no examination through the plot of Star Wars to examine how the ability to use hyperspace has affected cultures in a broader context. Therefore the argument that SW is SF cannot be made from that perspective...
Sci-fi isn't aboot how tech changes people, it just needs to be set in space. Or have the list of items in the link However science fiction is really about how the science has affected the peoples/cultures etc. Just because something is set in a galaxy far far away doesn't automatically make it SF. The futuristic stuff (hyperspace etc) in Star Wars is a backdrop rather than an intrinsic part of the plot. i.e. substitute a fast horse or a getaway car as a mechanism to allow the heroes to escape. There is no examination through the plot of Star Wars to examine how the ability to use hyperspace has affected cultures in a broader context. Therefore the argument that SW is SF cannot be made from that perspective...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_fiction
Even if you use those rule hyperspace cannot be transposed. People used to say that you could set the new BSG into a reality drama and it would work, but it wouldn't, and FTL is one of the reasons. Personally I think the sci-fi is best when the tech helps th story, as opposed to is the story, BSG/Star Wars being the former and Stargate being the latter, I liked the latter, but the former is my fave.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_scienc...
After reading a bit of wiki, seems it's just down to perception since a lot of people can't decide on what sci-fi is, I perceive SW as sci-fi, you don't
Star Wars seems to be a special borderline case, although Lucas tried to ground the force in science in the three s
ty new films."...An example of this is Star Wars, a borderline case in which a mystical power known as the Force lends a strong fantasy element to the science fiction veneer. The main difference between the two is that science fiction is largely based on established scientific theories, while science fantasy is largely implausible."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_fantasy
edit, I can see why you wouldn't have it as sci-fi
Edited by Halb on Wednesday 27th July 11:32
rhinochopig said:
Not sure whether he's been mentioned yet, but Tarkovsky made some interesting sci-fi films. Stalker is great as is Solaris, although personally - and I'm in a very very small population with this one - I prefer the George Cluney version as I think Cliff Martinez's score is magical.
As Eric mentioned in an earlier post re 2001, watching the original version of Solaris on the big screen was a moment of epiphany for me. Must get round to watching the remake sometime.Gassing Station | TV, Film, Video Streaming & Radio | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff