Louis Theroux - New Series
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Art0ir said:
Can you expand upon the "true gender" bit? I'll admit to be entirely ignorant of the science surrounding this.
I tend to use "true gender" on the basis that the "chosen" gender identity is their true gender rather than the one that was assigned to them at birth based on their genitals.There is still too much opinion in society that a trans person chooses or wants to be the other sex, for many that is not considered to be the case and that a trans person has always been their identified gender even if they presented and lived a life of their birth assigned gender and body.
Lost soul said:
On radio 5 live this morning they were talking about gender reassignment in the young they quoted case's in young children are up 30% in the last year , what is driving this massive increase I wonder ?
Could be more cases are being identified now it is more accepted? Not so long ago these trans people would be locked in an institution or strung up in some countries.... well probably still the case in some unfortunately. I wonder if all the gender bending chemicals/estrogens in the environment have some part to play?
p2c said:
I tend to use "true gender" on the basis that the "chosen" gender identity is their true gender rather than the one that was assigned to them at birth based on their genitals.
There is still too much opinion in society that a trans person chooses or wants to be the other sex, for many that is not considered to be the case and that a trans person has always been their identified gender even if they presented and lived a life of their birth assigned gender and body.
I see, thanks for replying. It's a concept I struggle to comprehend from a biological standpoint if im honest, but accept that's how they feel and ththere may be more to it.There is still too much opinion in society that a trans person chooses or wants to be the other sex, for many that is not considered to be the case and that a trans person has always been their identified gender even if they presented and lived a life of their birth assigned gender and body.
Art0ir said:
Gender Dysphoria, previously Gender Identity Disorder.
Certainly a bizarre programme. I take the libertarian approach in that what someone wishes to be is entirely their choice, but how that translates into what in some cases are very young children and the question of parental responsibility, it's definitely a little less clear cut.
I guess that was the point though.
Same here but it makes you wonder whether 'youngsters'/'children' - for the sake of argument prepubescent - are making a rationale decision and not just a phase?Certainly a bizarre programme. I take the libertarian approach in that what someone wishes to be is entirely their choice, but how that translates into what in some cases are very young children and the question of parental responsibility, it's definitely a little less clear cut.
I guess that was the point though.
Tonight at 9pm on bbc 2.
bbc said:
Drinking to Oblivion
Louis Theroux
Louis Theroux spends time at King's College Hospital in London - a specialist liver centre - where he immerses himself in the lives of patients in the grips of alcohol addiction and the medical staff trying to make them better.
Most people associate addictions with illegal substances, but it's alcohol which is the most common addiction in the UK.
Many of us drink- sometimes more than we ought to, but the patients Louis meets at King's are drinking far more than normal, sometimes to the point of self-destruction. Louis explores the effects this is having on the patients' lives and the consequences for their loved ones when drinking loses the social aspect and becomes a potentially fatal compulsion.
It's hard to know why people become addicted to alcohol and why it is impossible for some to stop drinking, even when it is killing them. To outsiders it may seem like an easy decision but it is nowhere near that simple. Louis spends time with patients and their families as they struggle to find a way out of their addiction to alcohol before it's too late.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07952b1Louis Theroux
Louis Theroux spends time at King's College Hospital in London - a specialist liver centre - where he immerses himself in the lives of patients in the grips of alcohol addiction and the medical staff trying to make them better.
Most people associate addictions with illegal substances, but it's alcohol which is the most common addiction in the UK.
Many of us drink- sometimes more than we ought to, but the patients Louis meets at King's are drinking far more than normal, sometimes to the point of self-destruction. Louis explores the effects this is having on the patients' lives and the consequences for their loved ones when drinking loses the social aspect and becomes a potentially fatal compulsion.
It's hard to know why people become addicted to alcohol and why it is impossible for some to stop drinking, even when it is killing them. To outsiders it may seem like an easy decision but it is nowhere near that simple. Louis spends time with patients and their families as they struggle to find a way out of their addiction to alcohol before it's too late.
BlackLabel said:
These people (the ones like Joe) need emotional and practical support as much as they need medical support - otherwise the medics are just wasting their time. What a thoroughly depressing hour of telly,
It is depressing but it is a common theme throughout the NHS and social services, if they could be linked together better then it would be far better for everyone. Look at the problems with the elderly hurting themselves and ending up in hospital, then there is nowhere for them to go so they block a bed in a ward that could be used by another patient. A more unified, cohesive approach could help people get out of hospitals and get better but somehow it doesn't seem to happen. Then there is the terrible standard of psychiatric care.......texaxile said:
The French girl "Aurelie" seems really deserving of a decent chance or at least a break. Bless her, when Louie asked her why she was with Gary and she then went on to explain why, it really moved me. Hopefully she'll ditch that 
of a boyfriend and get sober. Hopefully.
I've never really been a violent or fighting man, but i'd happily punch the living f of a boyfriend and get sober. Hopefully.k out of Gary. Slimy, nasty scumbag.Watched this whilst the wife is out with her mate on a spa break. She is always on at me about needing to cut down - we are your middle-class professional couple who "don't have a problem" (so we say) but we get through a bottle of white most nights, a glass each with dinner and, well, once it's open it's rude not to finish it.
I gavme a glass a swerve tonight. Well, until Match of the Day started, I'm an Aston Villa fan, so large Chablis it is.
I gavme a glass a swerve tonight. Well, until Match of the Day started, I'm an Aston Villa fan, so large Chablis it is.
texaxile said:
The French girl "Aurelie" seems really deserving of a decent chance or at least a break. Bless her, when Louie asked her why she was with Gary and she then went on to explain why, it really moved me. Hopefully she'll ditch that of a boyfriend and get sober. Hopefully.
If she's not prepared to take the steps herself then you can't help her. of a boyfriend and get sober. Hopefully.The doctor telling her her results were off the scale, liver disease progressing, enlarged pancreas, bleeding from the bum, if that's not enough to motivate you then what is?
Watched this last night. My missus often has Jeremy Kyle on, at the weekend while we're doing chores around the house, and I have to agree with Kyle's mate Graham, that in order to cure an addiction, you have to find the trigger that causes a person to go back to that habit, whether that's drugs, drink, gambling etc. In Joes case, it seemed to be his ex, and the other guy (not the bloated guy), seemed to be the death of his father.
If you can cure the source of the problem, you can often stop the addiction.
Great show, and dealt with the topic well.
If you can cure the source of the problem, you can often stop the addiction.
Great show, and dealt with the topic well.
I sat on the remote and this came on, very quickly hooked as only 5 minutes in.
The French Girl really needs someone to boost her confidence, Poor Joe i fear will relapse again and that bloke that was "drained" he was clearly away with the fairies but i don't think it said he was still drinking. Felt realy sorry for all of them and can relate as my Granny was an alcoholoic all her days.
My OH works in an off Sales so i'm going to get her to watch this and realise what her job is doing to the people in that area... yes i hate her working in that place. She tells some awful stories of customers and the states they come into the place in. Money smelling of Pish, not washed in months, no body to talk to and even really respectable looking people stealing to feed the addiction, some she's known for years.
I enjoy the odd drink but these days its harder and harder to justify the hangovers.
The French Girl really needs someone to boost her confidence, Poor Joe i fear will relapse again and that bloke that was "drained" he was clearly away with the fairies but i don't think it said he was still drinking. Felt realy sorry for all of them and can relate as my Granny was an alcoholoic all her days.
My OH works in an off Sales so i'm going to get her to watch this and realise what her job is doing to the people in that area... yes i hate her working in that place. She tells some awful stories of customers and the states they come into the place in. Money smelling of Pish, not washed in months, no body to talk to and even really respectable looking people stealing to feed the addiction, some she's known for years.
I enjoy the odd drink but these days its harder and harder to justify the hangovers.
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