Stupid things in films

[Gylen]

JonRB said:

Gylen said:

Extraordinary that in a film about invulnerable, shape-shifting, time-traveling, robot assassins from the future, this is the part of the narrative that you had trouble with...

I disagree. You will a suspension of disbelief for the premise of the film or book, and then expect them to be self-consistent. So the film requires you to accept "invulnerable, shape-shifting, time-traveling, robot assassins from the future". That's fine. But since it is set in the modern day, it has to be plausible outside of the premise. Which means, say, a mechanical lawnmover can't be controlled by super-hacker nanobots say. Or indeed a car without computer-controlled drive-by-wire.

Edited by JonRB on Friday 27th March 11:22

I know what you mean but given that the vehicle is being controlled by fictional nano-bots, can't they be nano-bots that can drive the car?

Or, in sci-fi bullst, 'generate a polarised electrostatic charge that causes a synaptical resonance flux field in the structure of any object the controller wants to move. Allowing them to move it.

ETA - I get what you mean though. The story exists in a fictional world which although fictional, has rules and it jars when something breaks the rules it has set for itself...

Edited by Gylen on Friday 27th March 11:27

[Einion Yrth]

Jasandjules said:

Old, fat(sih), perhaps even balding blokes are attractive to young fit women......

That can't happen in reality.................

Anything can happen if you're rich enough.

[Dupont666]

Arese said:

Dupont666 said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql1uLyuWra8

last time I hacked an AS400 it was not with the cool graphics, just a dos prompt and i was most disappointed... why was it not like the film??

Edited by Dupont666 on Friday 27th March 11:22

You had a DOS prompt on an AS400?

Well actually i was using something else but the name escapes me as i havent used it for years.... but looked like dos but in green.... the name will come eventually and its bugging me now.

Used the word dos so people knew what it looked like

[Nat_H]

Rumba ?

[JonRB]

Gylen said:

generate a polarised electrostatic charge that causes a synaptical resonance flux field in the structure of any object the controller wants to move. Allowing them to move it.

Classic.

Gylen said:

ETA - I get what you mean though. The story exists in a fictional world which although fictional, has rules and it jars when something breaks the rules it has set for itself...

Yes, that's exactly what I meant.

Asimov was always very firm on this. He said that if you were writing a SF detective story, unless you established early on that teleporters existed and were in common use (say) then you absolutely could not have the solution to a locked-room murder as being the murderer using a teleporter to escape. You had to establish the rules and parameters of your fiction and then stick to them.

It's what marks good Sci-Fi / SF from bad.

Edit: Actually I think Asimov used laser guns as his example. But you get what I'm saying.

Edited by JonRB on Friday 27th March 11:35

[Dupont666]

Nat_H said:

Rumba ?

That name rings a bell.... will check it out.... PITA to use and connect but once in there quiet cool

[GBS2K]

Brian Clough smoking in "The Damned United".

Didn't happen.

[Dave200]

Famous Graham said:

Matt_N said:

Dover Nige said:

That bit in the fking fast and furious where the black Charger smokes it's tyres and pops a fking stupid fking wheelie at the same time. How fking ridiculous. tts.

?

Have you not seen drag cars on launch?

Ill admit it was quite exagerated in the film, but its a commom thing in drag racing isnt? Hence why they have wheelie bars on the back.

Yeah but they can't happen simultaneously. If the tyres are smoking, the wheels are spinning, so you're not going to wheelie. I think?

Of course it can. I don't see why your argument is so vehement? It's hardly contravening the laws of physics...

It's a poor quality vid, but you can see smoke coming off some of these tyres:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mL_ga3M13w

[ben_reza]

nice references to AS400. personally i prefer the good old green screen emulators.

Independance Day. So guy has a mac, and a virus on a floppy disk. And he just strolls into the mother ship, has no connectivity issues at all and brings them down with his virus.

Bet those aliens wished they were not running DHCP.

Did he connect over a cable? what are the chances of an alien race also having cat 5? or maybe it was wireless. I cant beleive the mother ship didnt have a WEP key...

[JonRB]

ben_reza said:

Independance Day. So guy has a mac, and a virus on a floppy disk. And he just strolls into the mother ship, has no connectivity issues at all and brings them down with his virus.

Bet those aliens wished they were not running DHCP.

Did he connect over a cable? what are the chances of an alien race also having cat 5? or maybe it was wireless. I cant beleive the mother ship didnt have a WEP key...

Oh it's just one of a catalogue of plot holes large enough to drive the mothership itself through.

[ben_reza]

plot? i must of missed that bit.

[Mutley]

ben_reza said:

plot? i must of missed that bit.

Yes, the "plot" fell down the "hole"

[Dolf]

A revolver with a silencer that goes “plop” when fired.

Try it without ear defenders – it’s fun!

[Neil_H]

ben_reza said:

nice references to AS400. personally i prefer the good old green screen emulators.

Independance Day. So guy has a mac, and a virus on a floppy disk. And he just strolls into the mother ship, has no connectivity issues at all and brings them down with his virus.

Bet those aliens wished they were not running DHCP.

Did he connect over a cable? what are the chances of an alien race also having cat 5? or maybe it was wireless. I cant beleive the mother ship didnt have a WEP key...

That one always bugs me as well!

[Dolf]

Negative Creep said:

Zombies. Everyone knows that for one you can only kill them by destroying the brain and also that if you're bitten you become one. However it will always take all the characters in the film at least half the running time to work this out. Even then, they will never wear thick clothing, helmets or any other protective body armour

Edited by Negative Creep on Thursday 26th March 23:47

Soo true!

[Cotty]

Dover Nige said:

That bit in the fking fast and furious where the black Charger smokes it's tyres and pops a fking stupid fking wheelie at the same time. How fking ridiculous. tts.

You need to brush up on drag racing. Its prefectly correct that the tyres "slip" yet still provide grip.

[Maxus]

A very personal one but incorrect Jackknifing trucks. Toy story II example. Films tend to show the back wheels of the trailor locked up and overtaking the cab.

What should actually happen (I think) is the front of the trailor punches forward causing the cab to turn sideways and start facing backwards.

Poor description sorry....

[Dolf]

Jasandjules said:

All computers can talk to each other, and all computers have a security code which can be beaten with 2 attempts. On top of which, all computers, even laptops, have the power of a bank of Cray supercomputers, and internet access of 128mpbp/ns (nano second...)

Not only that, but the people operating those computers have an amazing ability to remember all of the keyboard shortcuts to operate what clearly looks like a windows-driven operating system. Not bad at all, considering they have just hacked into a unknown system...

[JRM]

JonRB said:

ben_reza said:

Independance Day. So guy has a mac, and a virus on a floppy disk. And he just strolls into the mother ship, has no connectivity issues at all and brings them down with his virus.

Bet those aliens wished they were not running DHCP.

Did he connect over a cable? what are the chances of an alien race also having cat 5? or maybe it was wireless. I cant beleive the mother ship didnt have a WEP key...

Oh it's just one of a catalogue of plot holes large enough to drive the mothership itself through.

Yes that one always annoys me, I think he actually plugs into it - lucky that the mother ship just happened to use USB leads! Mind you would have been very funny to watch him try and solder a lead together before they blew up Earth! (or maybe not!)

[aclivity]

JRM said:

JonRB said:

ben_reza said:

Independance Day. So guy has a mac, and a virus on a floppy disk. And he just strolls into the mother ship, has no connectivity issues at all and brings them down with his virus.

Bet those aliens wished they were not running DHCP.

Did he connect over a cable? what are the chances of an alien race also having cat 5? or maybe it was wireless. I cant beleive the mother ship didnt have a WEP key...

Oh it's just one of a catalogue of plot holes large enough to drive the mothership itself through.

Yes that one always annoys me, I think he actually plugs into it - lucky that the mother ship just happened to use USB leads! Mind you would have been very funny to watch him try and solder a lead together before they blew up Earth! (or maybe not!)

not trying to defend it too much, but they had the little ship on earth since the 50's, and it had powered up a few days beforehand. They MIGHT have had time to put a USB socket in?