Star Wars: The Last Jedi (CONTAINS SPOILERS)
Discussion
IforB said:
zygalski said:
At 7.5, now rated lower than ROTS on imdb.
Nooooooooooooooooooooo!
If you like it, who cares? Nooooooooooooooooooooo!
From before this point, everyone wants their own personal Star Wars story and will be dissatisfied with whatever is released.
Look at it so far.
Ep 4 - Ok, kind of ground breaking in the genre but clunky Lucas dialog & easy to Nit Pick.
Ep 5 - The highlight of the series. Pretty much perfect.
Ep 6 - Far too many teddy bears. It's all about the toy sales, isn't it?
Ep 1, 2, 3 - The less said the better,
Ep 7 - Return to form but a rehash of Ep 4.
Ep 8 - WTF? ZOMG etc.
What's the point in nitpicking the physics in a fantasy film?
Either sit back, open the popcorn and enjoy or don't watch them.
chris watton said:
I agree, for the most part, ROTS didn't bore me when watching, TLJ did.
I think someone in this thread said, one can see how stuff started to come together in RotS, and it does have some excellent stuff, obviously it has some horrible stuff too, it's Lucas unbound, but any scene with Ian McDiamirid in rocks, and he's in it it a lot, plus a lot of the aesthetics are really good towards the end, when they are trying to ape Star Wars, even though it's still 20 years off? It's nice to see the Emperor wax wroth as well. I notice AotC is on 57%. When Soth is on the telly, I tend to want to watch the last section, can't be sure when it kicks in for me.I think that is what TLJ lacks, a great actor who can bind scenes together, I mean we have Hamill and Fisher, but they are sidelined with no dialogue for Carrie or Mark has his character rubbished. The best scene for me which had me gripped was them coming together for a chat, what an utterly clueless writer the bloke who write this mess was, to have this at the end and so small.
IforB said:
If you like it, who cares?
Indeed, in terms of watchability I'll take ROTJ over ESB (which I love start and end, but Degoba drags), couldn't care less if that's not the 'right' opinion.Watched TLJ for a third time this week (I've got Limitless), put my annoyances aside and actually enjoyed it more than the second viewing, after the casino it's a hell of a ride to the finish.
HD Adam said:
What's the point in nitpicking the physics in a fantasy film?
Nobody is nitpicking the physics. Most people accept hyperpace, light sabers, blasters, speeder bikes, giant asteroid space worms etc on face value and just accept that 'they work'.What is being nitpicked is the continuity and self consistency within that established 'fantasy physics' framework.
Nowhere in Starwars canon has lightspeed been weaponised - and doing so changes everything. For one thing - it makes the building of superweapons like the death star etc totally pointless.
Edited by Moonhawk on Sunday 7th January 15:26
Moonhawk said:
What is being nitpicked is the continuity and self consistency within that established 'fantasy physics' framework.
As I said earlier - in one scene the vacuum of space is completely absent as a ship crewmember does not get sucked out into the void despite being exposed to space above some bay-doors. Four minutes later a lead character gets sucked into space when the canopy of their ship is destroyed.
r11co said:
Moonhawk said:
What is being nitpicked is the continuity and self consistency within that established 'fantasy physics' framework.
As I said earlier - in one scene the vacuum of space is completely absent as a ship crewmember does not get sucked out into the void despite being exposed to space above some bay-doors. Four minutes later a lead character gets sucked into space when the canopy of their ship is destroyed.
I was more annoyed with using gravity bombs from the slowest flying craft ever seen. They'd have gone faster if the had sails FFS.
Moreso, the way that in TLJ many loved characters were just wiped away, Admiral Ackbar dies in the same attack Leia survives. With a tiny mention in a sentence later. I could forgive them if perhaps he suddenly shouted "It's a Tra...... " To see the ship be destroyed. Nope, just more lazy writing, wiping the slate clean of old characters that no longer fit in the PC and alt left leanings of the WWoD. Hell I'm surprised there wasn't a Mickey Mouse window sticker somewhere...
TTmonkey said:
Same with all star wars films...
I was more annoyed with using gravity bombs from the slowest flying craft ever seen. They'd have gone faster if the had sails FFS.
I was more annoyed with using gravity bombs from the slowest flying craft ever seen. They'd have gone faster if the had sails FFS.
In one of the funny youtube vids the speaker has a great riff on how the bombers have paper for armour, a flying spaceship takes out three.I suppose hanger bays are fine so long as the ships gravity is intact.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: I must admit I thought "Wow, Admiral Ackbar's dead", but "It's a trap" meme to one side, was Ackbar really that big of a character in Star Wars history?
Whilst he's not that big of a character in the grand scheme of things in terms of screen time - he did spearhead the attack on DeathStar 2. Why even have him in the film if you are just going to kill him off so crudely then introduce yet another new non-character just to have them sacrifice themselves too? Akbar could have easily fulfilled the role that Laura Dern's character did - giving him a decent send off and tying up his story arc in the process.
As it stands we got yet another new character that got no development and was dispatched rather quickly (probably just so we can tick the 'moar strong females in teh film' box) - and a character that did have some backstory and played a pivotal role in ROTJ and who had appeared in three films to date - but was wiped out with barely a mention.
Guvernator said:
Why are the media still trying so hard to justify this film?
Why are the haters still moaning so hard about this film? We get it, you didn't like it; why waste your energy bhing and whining about it?I hated the new Kingsman film after really enjoying the first one; I think I wrote a post about it in the main film thread after I saw it but since then it hasn't even crossed my mind. It genuinely baffles me why people have such a stick up their butt about this film.
parabolica said:
I think I wrote a post about it in the main film thread after I saw it but since then it hasn't even crossed my mind. It genuinely baffles me why people have such a stick up their butt about this film.
Wasting time posting on a forum bhing about people wasting their time posting on a forum bhing about a film - how ironic 
Edited by Moonhawk on Sunday 7th January 17:18
Moonhawk said:
Whilst he's not that big of a character in the grand scheme of things in terms of screen time - he did spearhead the attack on DeathStar 2. Why even have him in the film if you are just going to kill him off so crudely then introduce yet another new non-character just to have them sacrifice themselves too?
Akbar could have easily fulfilled the role that Laura Dern's character did - giving him a decent send off and tying up his story arc in the process.
As it stands we got yet another new character that got no development and was dispatched rather quickly (probably just so we can tick the 'moar strong females in teh film' box) - and a character that did have some backstory and played a pivotal role in ROTJ and who had appeared in three films to date - but was wiped out with barely a mention.
Can't argue with that as an opinion though I don't really get the "moar strong females" thing.Akbar could have easily fulfilled the role that Laura Dern's character did - giving him a decent send off and tying up his story arc in the process.
As it stands we got yet another new character that got no development and was dispatched rather quickly (probably just so we can tick the 'moar strong females in teh film' box) - and a character that did have some backstory and played a pivotal role in ROTJ and who had appeared in three films to date - but was wiped out with barely a mention.
Honestly, you're right, they could have done that with Ackbar and it would have been fitting and to you and I it would have made more sense than introducing someone new just to kill them off, but they chose not to do that so there you go.
Maybe it was because the voice actor died in real life, maybe they just wanted to p
s off a bunch of fans so Ackbar's new legacy is "they killed him off with barely a mention" who knows 
Moonhawk said:
Whilst he's not that big of a character in the grand scheme of things in terms of screen time - he did spearhead the attack on DeathStar 2. Why even have him in the film if you are just going to kill him off so crudely then introduce yet another new non-character just to have them sacrifice themselves too?
Akbar could have easily fulfilled the role that Laura Dern's character did - giving him a decent send off and tying up his story arc in the process.
As it stands we got yet another new character that got no development and was dispatched rather quickly (probably just so we can tick the 'moar strong females in teh film' box) - and a character that did have some backstory and played a pivotal role in ROTJ and who had appeared in three films to date - but was wiped out with barely a mention.
I didn't realise it was Ackbar, or that he died. But now you point out the above, it does make one wonder, on the talent of the writer. I suppose he just wanted to rubbish more stuff from the OT so he could whip up another of his own to dispense with her minutes later. The ozzie guy made me laugh when he pointed out that there's about 200 rebels left, and Poe isn't meant to know purple hair girl. Akbar could have easily fulfilled the role that Laura Dern's character did - giving him a decent send off and tying up his story arc in the process.
As it stands we got yet another new character that got no development and was dispatched rather quickly (probably just so we can tick the 'moar strong females in teh film' box) - and a character that did have some backstory and played a pivotal role in ROTJ and who had appeared in three films to date - but was wiped out with barely a mention.
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