24 Hours in Police Custody: Ch4

[Robertj21a]

Crossflow Kid said:

That was clean and tidy compared to some.
I'm LAS and some of the drugs dens we end up getting called to are truly beyond words.
Went to one where a guy existed in amongst piles of rubbish, there's no other way to describe it. Imagine taking your full wheelie bin every week, and upending it in the middle of the room and living amongst that, including human faeces and puddles of urine - the bathroom had clearly ceased to function long before.
Then imagine that after a few years - waist deep rotting rubbish with just little rat runs through it all. The floor was sagging where the floor boards were sodden with something, the place stank like a bin lorry, and it was all illuminated by a single 40watt light bulb dangling from the ceiling. Obviously there were no curtains, and the bloke "living" there shuffled round the place stark bk naked.
And this wasn't in some squalid den under a railway arch somewhere, it was in a fairly respectable council block, with people watching Sky in the flat next door, comfortably stretched out on their Sofaworks recliner.
When we informed him we'd be taking him in to hospital, he just starting rummaging through all the piles of rubbish for something resembling clothes.

There's a TV programme on some channel or other at present about Hoarders. Although the content relates to the USA, it highlights how ordinary 'decent' folk can end up living in conditions much like you describe. There's invariably a long-term mental issue hidden away and you can't help but feel sorry for people who are just overwhelmed by issues that become too much for them to handle.

[RC1807]

Crossflow Kid said:

....
Went to one where a guy existed in amongst piles of rubbish, there's no other way to describe it. Imagine taking your full wheelie bin every week, and upending it in the middle of the room and living amongst that, including human faeces and puddles of urine - the bathroom had clearly ceased to function long before. ....

that's very sad

[anonymous-user]

RC1807 said:

Crossflow Kid said:

....
Went to one where a guy existed in amongst piles of rubbish, there's no other way to describe it. Imagine taking your full wheelie bin every week, and upending it in the middle of the room and living amongst that, including human faeces and puddles of urine - the bathroom had clearly ceased to function long before. ....

that's very sad

That's the thing with drug addiction though - absolutely nothing else matters.
First off, social interactivity alters and declines along with health and general well being, financial responsibilities and any notion of working, then self-care starts to suffer until an addict simply isn't functioning as a human being and ends up living, literally, on animal instinct.

[anonymous-user]

Chimune said:

Yes the case was relatively simple but raised interesting questions.

The police seemed to start from a position of murder and still stuck to that pretty much to the end despite it not looking like murder for some time.

To be fair, I thought the same thing until it was discovered that he injected into his neck. Based on that, I would say that the police were correct to assume foul play until the new evidence came to light.

[Blue One]

Last night’s episode was like a bad installment of the Road Wars shows:
- local trash druggies (tick)
- beer bellies small brain tattooed locals (often without tops) being interviewed (tick)
- worse than trash suspects being treated fawningly nicely (tick)

Also plod didn’t come out as being too lively in the detection business:

- man was waving at dog so still alive (wrong)
- tip off on where murder could have happened
- watchman saw suspect carrying large bundle on mobility scooter
- CCTV showed suspect doing this
- join the dots....

Hopefully they can also solve cases where everything isn’t laid on for them by other people.
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Edited by Blue One on Tuesday 6th March 13:02

Edited by Blue One on Tuesday 6th March 13:03

[anonymous-user]

Blue One said:

Last night’s episode was like a bad installment of the Road Wars shows:
- local trash druggies (tick)
- beer bellies small brain tattooed locals (often without tops) being interviewed (tick)
- worse than trash suspects being treated fawningly nicely (tick)

Also plod didn’t come out as being too lively in the detection business:

- man was waving at dog so still alive (wrong)
- tip off on where murder could have happened
- watchman saw suspect carrying large bundle on mobility scooter
- CCTV showed suspect doing this
- join the dots....

Hopefully they can also solve cases where everything isn’t laid on for them by other people.
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Edited by Blue One on Tuesday 6th March 13:02

Edited by Blue One on Tuesday 6th March 13:03

Laid on for them or detection following good old classic policing like talking to people?

[Munter]

Blue One said:

- man was waving at dog so still alive (wrong)

If you're not going to actually watch the program. Why comment on it so strongly?

Lead copper said he was dubious about that version of events from the dog walker.

What else did you miss?

[Mezzanine]

The progress of the story does have to be edited to fit into the TV hour, so there is lots we don't see or is re-jigged.

I assumed the 'anonymous' caller was probably the CCTV operator not wanted to plant himself directly so called to 'lead' them to him/the footage...that's the gist I got from the editing/programme direction?

[anonymous-user]

Mezzanine said:

The progress of the story does have to be edited to fit into the TV hour, so there is lots we don't see or is re-jigged.

I assumed the 'anonymous' caller was probably the CCTV operator not wanted to plant himself directly so called to 'lead' them to him/the footage...that's the gist I got from the editing/programme direction?

CCTV operator was male, caller was female! We'll never know who.

[anonymous-user]

Robertj21a said:

There's a TV programme on some channel or other at present about Hoarders. Although the content relates to the USA, it highlights how ordinary 'decent' folk can end up living in conditions much like you describe. There's invariably a long-term mental issue hidden away and you can't help but feel sorry for people who are just overwhelmed by issues that become too much for them to handle.

Hoarding is a psychological condition where people can't bring themselves to discard items due to an emotional connection or a disproportionate belief in its value.
Squalid drug dens are on another level, usually where the occupant just becomes totally ignorant to their self-care needs of hydration, nutrition, warmth, shelter and hygiene and can only think of one thing......

[anonymous-user]

Munter said:

Blue One said:

- man was waving at dog so still alive (wrong)

If you're not going to actually watch the program. Why comment on it so strongly?

Lead copper said he was dubious about that version of events from the dog walker.

What else did you miss?

He also explained at one point that they didn't have evidential proof that the victim actually died in the flat.
I thought given how "open and shut" the case appeared at first, they demonstrated well the need to keep all options open and to not assume anything.

[Sheets Tabuer]

Caught this last night and felt incredibly sorry for her, the grip of drugs on her must be horrendous.

[ape x]

Blue One said:

Last night’s episode was like a bad installment of the Road Wars shows:
- local trash druggies (tick)
- beer bellies small brain tattooed locals (often without tops) being interviewed (tick)
- worse than trash suspects being treated fawningly nicely (tick)

Also plod didn’t come out as being too lively in the detection business:

- man was waving at dog so still alive (wrong)
- tip off on where murder could have happened
- watchman saw suspect carrying large bundle on mobility scooter
- CCTV showed suspect doing this
- join the dots....

Hopefully they can also solve cases where everything isn’t laid on for them by other people.
-

Edited by Blue One on Tuesday 6th March 13:02

Edited by Blue One on Tuesday 6th March 13:03

I must confess to walking around my house without a top on.... is that not acceptable?

[berlintaxi]

Blue One said:

Also plod didn’t come out as being too lively in the detection business:

Neither do you.

[Cold]

berlintaxi said:

Blue One said:

Also plod didn’t come out as being too lively in the detection business:

Neither do you.

Which one of those matters though?
Plod were doing their typical let's-make-the-evidence-fit-my-idea routine on this one.

[Munter]

Cold said:

Which one of those matters though?
Plod were doing their typical let's-make-the-evidence-fit-my-idea routine on this one.

No they weren't. They had to assume the worst, and then let the evidence tell them what actually happened.

E.g. turning up at the location of the body looking for a potential of murder and almost instantly going "well you wouldn't dump a body there, you'd put it in the bushes a few feet away, so somethings not right".

Jeez I know some people watch TV with their brain switched off but...again...if you're not actually going to watch and understand the content, why then go on to comment on it?

[berlintaxi]

Cold said:

berlintaxi said:

Blue One said:

Also plod didn’t come out as being too lively in the detection business:

Neither do you.

Which one of those matters though?
Plod were doing their typical let's-make-the-evidence-fit-my-idea routine on this one.

How on earth could you watch the program fully and reach that conclusion?

[Funkycoldribena]

Crossflow Kid said:

Robertj21a said:

There's a TV programme on some channel or other at present about Hoarders. Although the content relates to the USA, it highlights how ordinary 'decent' folk can end up living in conditions much like you describe. There's invariably a long-term mental issue hidden away and you can't help but feel sorry for people who are just overwhelmed by issues that become too much for them to handle.

Hoarding is a psychological condition where people can't bring themselves to discard items due to an emotional connection or a disproportionate belief in its value.
Squalid drug dens are on another level, usually where the occupant just becomes totally ignorant to their self-care needs of hydration, nutrition, warmth, shelter and hygiene and can only think of one thing......

You obviously haven't watched USA hoarders then.

[The Mad Monk]

oilbethere said:

Dirty bag rats. I've know a few who have gone down this route and have zero sympathy.

A complete waste of space. "I don't get paid until Friday". Almost as though it's a job. They contribute nothing and take everything.

[Charlie1986]

Think no matter what the stories behind the program are Channel 4 have produced a great show. Not many have me wanting the next episode just as much as this.