Speed with Guy Martin - new series
Discussion
coppice said:
I must admit that the GA (as I know it ) sounds even nicer than a DFV , and I recall hearing it not only in Cologne Capris at Silverstone but also Alan Jones' March F5000 car with this engine in 3.4 spec in 1975. Last heard
one this week at Oulton Park - glorious racket .
In the days when RallyX was fun Tony Proctor used to run a Sierra with a GA in it. It was pretty impressive. one this week at Oulton Park - glorious racket .
Overall I found it an enjoyable episode. The 'race' as a little unfair inasmuch as you had a massively experienced and talented ex-WDC in a car with huge ground effect downforce, vs a rookie in an inferior car. Even with the 10s stop-go it wasn't fair.
I had to admire Jenson's circumspection in realising that Guy did not know he was there and therefore backing out of a pass. That's a skill that Max Verstappen could do with learning.
The narrator and faux peril music still annoyed the s
t out of me though. As did the picture of a Lancaster when the Wellington was being discussed.
Also didn't the cars look primitive? Aluminium sheet with fibreglass body panels over the top. And your legs stuck out past the front axle with little protection.
We've come a LONG way in safety.
I had to admire Jenson's circumspection in realising that Guy did not know he was there and therefore backing out of a pass. That's a skill that Max Verstappen could do with learning.
The narrator and faux peril music still annoyed the s
t out of me though. As did the picture of a Lancaster when the Wellington was being discussed. Also didn't the cars look primitive? Aluminium sheet with fibreglass body panels over the top. And your legs stuck out past the front axle with little protection.
We've come a LONG way in safety.
Missed the whole first part up to the F3 test, but was a bit disappointed with what I saw to be honest. Faux tension build up to a contrived 'race' which was just a high speed demonstration of two contemporary but rather different Williams cars.
Probably won't bother catching up with the first part if there wasn't a decent amount of detail on the build of the car (there never is).
I guess the weather didn't smile on them for the action shots in testing etc.
Was very surprised that there was no alternative but to have Guy in the Williams sharing a test session with 105bhp historic formula fords, or was that set up in the hope of building some kind of 'look how fast Guy is compared to these other racing cars, now he's getting the hang of it!' narrative.
Finally- is there a less happy person on this planet than Jonathan Williams. He's so obviously disappointed by getting the Heritage gig but Christ almighty to look at him you'd believe that he has to drown puppies for a living. Why put him on my television screen.
Normally I love Guy stuff, I've seen them all and read his book, this one was just ill conceived and just didn't work.
Probably won't bother catching up with the first part if there wasn't a decent amount of detail on the build of the car (there never is).
I guess the weather didn't smile on them for the action shots in testing etc.
Was very surprised that there was no alternative but to have Guy in the Williams sharing a test session with 105bhp historic formula fords, or was that set up in the hope of building some kind of 'look how fast Guy is compared to these other racing cars, now he's getting the hang of it!' narrative.
Finally- is there a less happy person on this planet than Jonathan Williams. He's so obviously disappointed by getting the Heritage gig but Christ almighty to look at him you'd believe that he has to drown puppies for a living. Why put him on my television screen.
Normally I love Guy stuff, I've seen them all and read his book, this one was just ill conceived and just didn't work.
Agree with much of the above.
I think they tried to pitch it to please everyone (why wouldn't they) so the car bores like us who enjoy all the nerdy stuff and detail feel short changed.
I would've preferred a 10 part 'a car is born' style series showing Guy rebuilding the entire car in GREAT detail, but I am a bit sad like that and not representative of what the general TV viewing population want to see!
I think they tried to pitch it to please everyone (why wouldn't they) so the car bores like us who enjoy all the nerdy stuff and detail feel short changed.
I would've preferred a 10 part 'a car is born' style series showing Guy rebuilding the entire car in GREAT detail, but I am a bit sad like that and not representative of what the general TV viewing population want to see!
t400ble said:
LosingGrip said:
I wonder how much of the Top Gear one was set up. I know GM understands how things work very quickly, and is used to driving/riding bloody fast on tracks (and roads!), but RH will also be alright at it.
Was staged and scripted.
HustleRussell said:
Finally- is there a less happy person on this planet than Jonathan Williams. He's so obviously disappointed by getting the Heritage gig but Christ almighty to look at him you'd believe that he has to drown puppies for a living. Why put him on my television screen.
"(mumble grumble) Claire got the F1 team and all I got was this poxy gig - dad always loved Claire more than me". 
Grahamdub said:
Clockwork Cupcake said:
"(mumble grumble) Claire got the F1 team and all I got was this poxy gig - dad always loved Claire more than me".
It did feel that way 
HustleRussell said:
Grahamdub said:
Clockwork Cupcake said:
"(mumble grumble) Claire got the F1 team and all I got was this poxy gig - dad always loved Claire more than me".
It did feel that way https://www.grandprix247.com/2018/07/13/villeneuve...
https://readmotorsport.com/2018/07/13/villeneuve-p...
http://www.f1i.com/news/310722-villeneuve-williams...
http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/24084500/jacqu...
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/137378/villeneuv...
"Jacques Villeneuve does not mince his words when he talks about the team that took him to his one Formula 1 World Championship title in 1997, already indefinitely banned from the Williams paddock compound he has now fired a wicked salvo at deputy team principal Claire Williams."
So that's him off their Christmas card list too then.
So that's him off their Christmas card list too then.
Grahamdub said:
Clockwork Cupcake said:
"(mumble grumble) Claire got the F1 team and all I got was this poxy gig - dad always loved Claire more than me".
It did feel that way I found he was just as jolly in person.
In some ways I can understand but FFS get over it! It's destructive and pointless.
Jonesy23 said:
Grahamdub said:
Clockwork Cupcake said:
"(mumble grumble) Claire got the F1 team and all I got was this poxy gig - dad always loved Claire more than me".
It did feel that way I found he was just as jolly in person.
In some ways I can understand but FFS get over it! It's destructive and pointless.
youngsyr said:
Jonesy23 said:
Grahamdub said:
Clockwork Cupcake said:
"(mumble grumble) Claire got the F1 team and all I got was this poxy gig - dad always loved Claire more than me".
It did feel that way I found he was just as jolly in person.
In some ways I can understand but FFS get over it! It's destructive and pointless.
As said above the Williams film does not show Jonathan a good light, nor Frank come to that. A Motor Sport magazine podcast with JW is also revealing - I don;t want to be rude but he comes over as being uncomfortable and out of his depth and lacks Claire's eloquence and confidence , to an almost shocking degree
Halmyre said:
Wiliams have won two races in the last fourteen years, so it was struggling before she was appointed in 2013. Her remit is "marketing, communications and the commercial aspects", so it would be a bit much to lay the blame on her.
So the bit that brings in cash, and as their 2 biggest sponsors are walking out the door while also kissing goodbye to the Stroll cash cow it could be argued she’s not doing a great job... If the Stroll payment for getting Lance out of his contract being the factor is true in making sure they have enough cash to go racing next year then things really aren’t great with Claire Williams at the helm.
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