Automotive Vloggers (Vol. 4)
Discussion
Bubba Zanetti said:
If Zenvo are around in 2 to 3 years time I'll be very surprised.
I’m amazed the are still around now according to thishttps://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/zenvo/tsr-s
They have made less than 24 cars in the last 12 years
Which is tiny even for niche brands
By comparison Gordon Murray’s sold all 100 road T50s.
I think it's safe to say adding this car to the garage makes no sense at all.... unless it is under the guise of a brand deal.
With $1.5m on the table, so any of us think Tim would go for this borderline kit car over a P1 or LFA.. both of which he has said are dream additions to the fleet.
Come on Tim.. own up with a 'Paid Promotion' badge please.
With $1.5m on the table, so any of us think Tim would go for this borderline kit car over a P1 or LFA.. both of which he has said are dream additions to the fleet.
Come on Tim.. own up with a 'Paid Promotion' badge please.
InformationSuperHighway said:
I think it's safe to say adding this car to the garage makes no sense at all.... unless it is under the guise of a brand deal.
With $1.5m on the table, so any of us think Tim would go for this borderline kit car over a P1 or LFA.. both of which he has said are dream additions to the fleet.
Come on Tim.. own up with a 'Paid Promotion' badge please.
I know it's another £500k but a Gordon Murray T50 would have been the way to go, it is still a way off so still time to save up the £500k, I know people have issues with the T50 but it would have filled the V12 void in the collection and I know this is in Gordon's own words, but it's a update and fixes the issues he feels there were with the F1 and realistically the T50 is the closest anyone is ever going to get to getting something like a F1 but 'new' and Tim could have skimped on the costs and just had a standard version with no options like Jay Leno has said he has had some cars, as the designer intended and even Harry Metcalfe with a couple of the cars he has tested and wanted to test a car with no options added. With $1.5m on the table, so any of us think Tim would go for this borderline kit car over a P1 or LFA.. both of which he has said are dream additions to the fleet.
Come on Tim.. own up with a 'Paid Promotion' badge please.
InformationSuperHighway said:
I think it's safe to say adding this car to the garage makes no sense at all.... unless it is under the guise of a brand deal.
With $1.5m on the table, so any of us think Tim would go for this borderline kit car over a P1 or LFA.. both of which he has said are dream additions to the fleet.
Come on Tim.. own up with a 'Paid Promotion' badge please.
If he's getting it with a nice discount and Zenvo pay towards the costs of shipping it around the world would it still have to be marked as a paid promotion? Tim isn't getting paid any money directly from Zenvo for it, just getting discounts along the way. I know it was explained a long time ago in this thread (or a previous one), possibly by Tim, but I can't really remember the full details. With $1.5m on the table, so any of us think Tim would go for this borderline kit car over a P1 or LFA.. both of which he has said are dream additions to the fleet.
Come on Tim.. own up with a 'Paid Promotion' badge please.
He's always been pretty open with the Paid Promotion badges on YouTube and Instagram so can't see him letting a fairly big thing like the Zenvo slip through.
thegreenhell said:
But he'd actually have to buy a T50 at full price to get one. Plus, they sold out long ago, and Gordon vetted the prospective owners to ensure they were the right sort of owners he was looking for.
Tim would have got through the vetting no issue, Gordon would want the car used and not sat about in a garage on zero miles/kms which I suspect half of them will be even though the owners got through the vetting.The cost issue of the Zenvo, I cannot believe Zenvo are going to get £1m worth of PR out of this, what even would be the cost price of the car, even if they forgo profit on the car that would be only a couple of hundred thousand at the most surely.
Zenvo couldn't just sell a car for half it's cost, surely there would be some big tax implications for a start and Tim would never live it down if the car was sold and it went (was sold back) to Zenvo it would be known in an instant, even if it was a few years down the line, he would be tore to bits!
I have had a look about and the Zenvo seems to be the cheapest at £1.5m to get into this "hypercar world" all the others are £2m+ at least.
I agree the Zenvo is a odd choice, but what new hypercars are available, Pagani, Bugatti, Koenigsegg and GM T50 are all sold out, not Bugatti I concede but these are not unique enough unless you go for a Centodieci (all sold out) but a special version which would be what £3m+ he cannot afford that, the only other car I can think of would be a Rimac and maybe they would have come to some sort of deal, more so to promote electric hypercars.
It is his money at the end of the day, if he likes the Zenvo enough to buy one, you pay your money and you take your choice.
InformationSuperHighway said:
I think it's safe to say adding this car to the garage makes no sense at all.... unless it is under the guise of a brand deal.
With $1.5m on the table, so any of us think Tim would go for this borderline kit car over a P1 or LFA.. both of which he has said are dream additions to the fleet.
Come on Tim.. own up with a 'Paid Promotion' badge please.
While many youtubers certainly aren't great at ticking the paid promotion box, Tim certainly is.With $1.5m on the table, so any of us think Tim would go for this borderline kit car over a P1 or LFA.. both of which he has said are dream additions to the fleet.
Come on Tim.. own up with a 'Paid Promotion' badge please.
Has he said anywhere he's spending over a £1m?
If I recall correctly historically he seems to have been pretty smart about how he finances his cars and making them work as a business assets, so if he's not actually said he's spending a million+, it seems most likely he's got a very good finance rate on it and he's using it as a business tool, like he does with most of his fleet.
"Adding to my garage" does not mean "I've bought something outright"
jon- said:
While many youtubers certainly aren't great at ticking the paid promotion box, Tim certainly is.
Has he said anywhere he's spending over a £1m?
If I recall correctly historically he seems to have been pretty smart about how he finances his cars and making them work as a business assets, so if he's not actually said he's spending a million+, it seems most likely he's got a very good finance rate on it and he's using it as a business tool, like he does with most of his fleet.
"Adding to my garage" does not mean "I've bought something outright"
Has he said anywhere he's spending over a £1m?
If I recall correctly historically he seems to have been pretty smart about how he finances his cars and making them work as a business assets, so if he's not actually said he's spending a million+, it seems most likely he's got a very good finance rate on it and he's using it as a business tool, like he does with most of his fleet.
"Adding to my garage" does not mean "I've bought something outright"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjpH9gwTS7U
This is very enjoyable and makes him much more likeable than the 'beg for a free holiday round the world with ferrari in the garage' days.
This is very enjoyable and makes him much more likeable than the 'beg for a free holiday round the world with ferrari in the garage' days.
Throttlebody said:
Buy - as in I’m just renting it on a finance type PCP.
Like most of the UK. ‘Look at my spanking car that I don’t own’
I think you are correct, I still cannot see him buying it as such he said himself in the last P1 video that to buy a P1 would mean selling cars to balance the books yet only a few weeks later he is buying a 1.5m car.Like most of the UK. ‘Look at my spanking car that I don’t own’
Cannot see it generating the interest he is hoping for, the car does nothing for me, old school tech with a stupid gimmick rear wing.
Does anybody know if they make the engine or it is made by somebody else?
t to see that Rob Ferretti's lady friend Tiara who appeared in quite a few videos was involved in a fatal crash 
jon- said:
While many youtubers certainly aren't great at ticking the paid promotion box, Tim certainly is.
Has he said anywhere he's spending over a £1m?
If I recall correctly historically he seems to have been pretty smart about how he finances his cars and making them work as a business assets, so if he's not actually said he's spending a million+, it seems most likely he's got a very good finance rate on it and he's using it as a business tool, like he does with most of his fleet.
"Adding to my garage" does not mean "I've bought something outright"
Tom Scott (well worth a sub if you haven't heard of him before - although you will probably recognise him) has covered the nuances of YT "paid promotion" in a lot of depth, and specifically mentions car journalism - https://youtu.be/L-x8DYTOv7w?t=224Has he said anywhere he's spending over a £1m?
If I recall correctly historically he seems to have been pretty smart about how he finances his cars and making them work as a business assets, so if he's not actually said he's spending a million+, it seems most likely he's got a very good finance rate on it and he's using it as a business tool, like he does with most of his fleet.
"Adding to my garage" does not mean "I've bought something outright"
Situations like this with Tim and the Zenvo could well be subjective interpretation of "paid promotion".
However it is funded/loaned/bought/stolen/extorted/gifted, he's still got a 1200bhp ultra rare hyper-car, in his own chosen spec to use as and when he wants to..
There is another possible view to looking at the "funding", and that is using a "holding cost" method similar to how the vehicle rental industry works.
As an example, Avis buy a Transit for £20k, (after fleet discounts) and after 12 months and 20k miles, it is estimated to be worth £17.5k
The weekly holding cost is just under £50 per week, with maybe another £25 per week in overheads, interest,costs etc. As long as that vehicle earns £100 per week, then it is all gravy.
Tim could look at the purchase cost less the expected resale value in 2 years to establish a similar cost, and as long as that vehicle earns more in YT revenue than the weekly or monthly cost, then again it's all good in the hood.
I know he has mentioned he has extensive spreadsheets on running costs etc, and I have no doubt he is just as analytical about YT stats and earnings.
it wouldn't surprise me if he knew that a weeks worth of "Black Series on tour" set of videos covered at least 3 months of running costs for those vehicles for example.
waynecyclist said:
Throttlebody said:
Buy - as in I’m just renting it on a finance type PCP.
Like most of the UK. ‘Look at my spanking car that I don’t own’
I think you are correct, I still cannot see him buying it as such he said himself in the last P1 video that to buy a P1 would mean selling cars to balance the books yet only a few weeks later he is buying a 1.5m car.Like most of the UK. ‘Look at my spanking car that I don’t own’
Cannot see it generating the interest he is hoping for, the car does nothing for me, old school tech with a stupid gimmick rear wing.
Does anybody know if they make the engine or it is made by somebody else?
I guess the post above confirms what I thought, it is all on finance etc so he doesn't actually own it.
But now also the WHY? How many cars has he got in the garage (museum or whatever) and how many are on the way? Does he really have enough time in his life to make interesting content around each car?? Or are most of them just going to sit untouched for most of the year?
I must say fair play, he's doing something that enables him to even 'pretend' like he owns cars most of us will never even sit in, but it does seem crazy that he seems to be ordering a new car so often.......or is that the point? The 'reveal' videos are what his channel is basically about now? I don't really get it anymore.
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