Mr Bates vs The Post Office

[outnumbered]

I see that Vennells is on next week for 3 days - was that always the case or have they changed the schedule ? I could have sworn that she was originally listed for June or July.

[heebeegeetee]

outnumbered said:

I see that Vennells is on next week for 3 days - was that always the case or have they changed the schedule ? I could have sworn that she was originally listed for June or July.

I have her in my calender for 22-24 May cos I'm planning to have 3 days in front of a TV or screen.

[SydneyBridge]

I still reckon she will have a sick note and not appear

[Stussy]

I’d love to see Beer, Stein, Henry, and Moloney let loose on her

[The_Nugget]

Stussy said:

I’d love to see Beer, Stein, Henry, and Moloney let loose on her

Pretty sure you’ll get your wish.
Don’t think we’ll see Beer this week, he’ll be preparing to slowly dissect her next week.
Hopefully the others get a good amount of time at the end also. It could be epic.

[Fastpedeller]

I was having some thought whilst watching today's inquiry........ I agree the enquiry is the correct course of action, but was thinking it must be costing millions which could have been given to the victims. If it's already been agreed convictions should be overturned then more money is available without being spent on the inquiry. This made me think more positively about another possibility of WHY this is continuing....... will we see real justice taking place rather than the 'lessons learnt' ?

[Vasco]

Stussy said:

I’d love to see Beer, Stein, Henry, and Moloney let loose on her

She'll just claim that her god told her what to do.

[Wills2]

Fastpedeller said:

I was having some thought whilst watching today's inquiry........ I agree the enquiry is the correct course of action, but was thinking it must be costing millions which could have been given to the victims. If it's already been agreed convictions should be overturned then more money is available without being spent on the inquiry. This made me think more positively about another possibility of WHY this is continuing....... will we see real justice taking place rather than the 'lessons learnt' ?

I would imagine that the SPMs affected want this inquiry, it's important to them that the truth comes out publicly, it's the right thing to do to have the details laid bare for all that care to watch to see.

The quashing of the convictions and the offer of gov paid compensation is a separate matter to the public questioning of those involved, why should those that perpetrated this miscarriage of justice not have a light shone on their actions, this is after all the biggest legal scandal in the history of the UK and if that doesn't merit a public investigation then nothing does and where would that leave us?

The inquiry does pave the way for criminal charges brought either by the CPS or as Bates has suggested privately.

[SydneyBridge]

I would imagine every single SPM has been waiting for Vennels to be properly questioned for many years

She is also the one that publicly lied to MP's about remote access

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/pau...

Edited by SydneyBridge on Thursday 16th May 09:21

[simon_harris]

Vasco said:

Stussy said:

I’d love to see Beer, Stein, Henry, and Moloney let loose on her

She'll just claim that her god told her what to do.

I expect she will claim they they were all just trying to do the right thing and didn't see the flaws etc in the system.

I do not expect her to accept one shred of blame.

[LimmerickLad]

This one is going to be a drama queen..sobbing alread FFS!

[SydneyBridge]

Has she been coached to cry all day....

[Fastpedeller]

Wills2 said:

Fastpedeller said:

I was having some thought whilst watching today's inquiry........ I agree the enquiry is the correct course of action, but was thinking it must be costing millions which could have been given to the victims. If it's already been agreed convictions should be overturned then more money is available without being spent on the inquiry. This made me think more positively about another possibility of WHY this is continuing....... will we see real justice taking place rather than the 'lessons learnt' ?

I would imagine that the SPMs affected want this inquiry, it's important to them that the truth comes out publicly, it's the right thing to do to have the details laid bare for all that care to watch to see.

The quashing of the convictions and the offer of gov paid compensation is a separate matter to the public questioning of those involved, why should those that perpetrated this miscarriage of justice not have a light shone on their actions, this is after all the biggest legal scandal in the history of the UK and if that doesn't merit a public investigation then nothing does and where would that leave us?

The inquiry does pave the way for criminal charges brought either by the CPS or as Bates has suggested privately.

As I stated, I agree the inquiry is the correct course of action. I just hope there is going to be sufficient payment (as least £1m each) going to the victims, and it is extracted from the assets of the PO liars, FJ and lawyers who DID THE WRONG THING in withholding the truth. Their assets should be taken and they should be jailed........ If it was 'justice' for the innocent SPM's then it must surely be the punishment for the GUILTY. It will be in the public interest to give a message to 'big company bullies' that this sort of behaviour isn't acceptable.

[Short Grain]

Wills2 said:

I would imagine that the SPMs affected want this inquiry, it's important to them that the truth comes out publicly, it's the right thing to do to have the details laid bare for all that care to watch to see.

The quashing of the convictions and the offer of gov paid compensation is a separate matter to the public questioning of those involved, why should those that perpetrated this miscarriage of justice not have a light shone on their actions, this is after all the biggest legal scandal in the history of the UK and if that doesn't merit a public investigation then nothing does and where would that leave us?

The inquiry does pave the way for criminal charges brought either by the CPS or as Bates has suggested privately.

I hope some of these people see the inside of a jail cell and get to feel how the victims of their malicious actions felt. A few large fines to maybe reflect the amount of money claimed as 'losses' and paid to the PO's profits, would be justified as well. That could go to the fund to be paid as compensation to the victims.
I hope some of the key players in the PO find it extremely difficult to gain employment in the high powered positions they used to enjoy and end up stacking shelves or flipping burgers. Or even as Postal Delivery Workers as that would be poetic justice! Can just imagine it, "Didn't you used to be my boss?" That's just a personal vindictive daydream of my imagination though, for the likes of Angela VdB, and PV! Give them some of their own medicine!

If it needs to be private prosecutions, I'm sure Alan Bates could crowd fund it quite successfully given the right promotion in the media! The publics anger at these people could raise a huge fighting fund, I'd certainly chip in, as long as the trials where live streamed the same as this enquiry. He could sell tickets for it! Don't some Criminal Courts have cameras in them now?

Ooh, we've got early (crocodile?) tears this morning! Cynical?, Me?

[SydneyBridge]

Another clearly intelligent witness, who held a very senior position, now pretending to be completely stupid...

[Wills2]

Fastpedeller said:

Wills2 said:

Fastpedeller said:

I was having some thought whilst watching today's inquiry........ I agree the enquiry is the correct course of action, but was thinking it must be costing millions which could have been given to the victims. If it's already been agreed convictions should be overturned then more money is available without being spent on the inquiry. This made me think more positively about another possibility of WHY this is continuing....... will we see real justice taking place rather than the 'lessons learnt' ?

I would imagine that the SPMs affected want this inquiry, it's important to them that the truth comes out publicly, it's the right thing to do to have the details laid bare for all that care to watch to see.

The quashing of the convictions and the offer of gov paid compensation is a separate matter to the public questioning of those involved, why should those that perpetrated this miscarriage of justice not have a light shone on their actions, this is after all the biggest legal scandal in the history of the UK and if that doesn't merit a public investigation then nothing does and where would that leave us?

The inquiry does pave the way for criminal charges brought either by the CPS or as Bates has suggested privately.

As I stated, I agree the inquiry is the correct course of action. I just hope there is going to be sufficient payment (as least £1m each) going to the victims, and it is extracted from the assets of the PO liars, FJ and lawyers who DID THE WRONG THING in withholding the truth. Their assets should be taken and they should be jailed........ If it was 'justice' for the innocent SPM's then it must surely be the punishment for the GUILTY. It will be in the public interest to give a message to 'big company bullies' that this sort of behaviour isn't acceptable.

If your "CAPITALS" are aimed at me then I apologise if I gave you the impression I was disagreeing with you or saying you didn't want the inquiry.

I agree that once due process has happened then those convicted should have their assets seized as proceeds of crime (although I doubt the act is worded in a way to allow that)

When it comes to compensation the sums mentioned (£600k I think was the last one offered by the gov) are trifling in comparison to what some have suffered, 20+ years of earnings, plus wrong conviction and jail, loss of opportunity and reputational damage, mental health damage and of course suicide, even £1 million doesn't even touch the sides.

I'd like to see huge compensation paid to those affected and we are talking about £ billions but that's what they have had taken from them so it needs to be given back plus damages for the hurt and pain.

[blueg33]

Who is today's cannon fodder?

[SydneyBridge]

Former chief information officer at PO ltd

[alangla]

blueg33 said:

Who is today's cannon fodder?

Lesley Sewell - former Chief Information Officer at Post Office Ltd

Taken from: https://www.postofficehorizoninquiry.org.uk/phase-...

[outnumbered]

alangla said:

Lesley Sewell - former Chief Information Officer at Post Office Ltd

Taken from: https://www.postofficehorizoninquiry.org.uk/phase-...

Having skimmed through her witness statement, it seems she can't really remember anything, which the questioning seems to be confirming.

https://www.postofficehorizoninquiry.org.uk/file/3...

Look at para 79 for example, which I'm sure will come up later. Paula Vennels has called/texted her several times in 2020 and she "can't remember" what was discussed.