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Chris Stott said:
Fabulous car (ignoring the daft price tag), but did Stevie Wonder pick that colour scheme?
Puss coloured leather always risks being a bit Bullseye star prize and the red didn't look the greatest of colours but they're things that can be changed. I think the interesting aspect is that it appears to be a good steer. Composer62 said:
The first EV I'd really like to own.
I fear I've set myself a fairly high bar !
It's completely the wrong direction for EVs to go if they are to represent any part of the 'solution'.I fear I've set myself a fairly high bar !
EVs need to be small, lightweight and utilitarian. Otherwise the weight demands of huge batteries render any efficiency gains irrelevant.
ETA: And that's because prices need to fall, dramatically, if any government is to hit their EV targets by 2035.
Edited by Doofus on Sunday 26th May 21:55
Doofus said:
It's completely the wrong direction for EVs to go if they are to represent any part of the 'solution'.
You say that but there will come a day when fossil fuel is completely banned and/or unavailable. And that day is sooner than many/most on here would like it to be.The 'solution' needs to offer cars, buses, motorcycles, vans, tanks, helicopters and all other vehicles regardless of size in an electric format.
Voldemort said:
Doofus said:
It's completely the wrong direction for EVs to go if they are to represent any part of the 'solution'.
You say that but there will come a day when fossil fuel is completely banned and/or unavailable. And that day is sooner than many/most on here would like it to be.The 'solution' needs to offer cars, buses, motorcycles, vans, tanks, helicopters and all other vehicles regardless of size in an electric format.
There a million other threads on the merits or otherwise of EVs, do we really need to go there on this thread again?
Regarding the car, I agree that whoever spec'ed that colour needs to get their eyesight tested. Absolutely horrible.
In a more subtle colour this might look very nice indeed though.
And a quick google shows that there is a button to close the passenger door on the centre console, next to your knee.
Regarding the car, I agree that whoever spec'ed that colour needs to get their eyesight tested. Absolutely horrible.
In a more subtle colour this might look very nice indeed though.
And a quick google shows that there is a button to close the passenger door on the centre console, next to your knee.
loudlashadjuster said:
There a million other threads on the merits or otherwise of EVs, do we really need to go there on this thread again? <clip>
That's the nature of Pistonheads, there are no 'Thread Police'. Discussions go off on diversions but usually drift back on topic. Like it or not, it's the way it is. 
Voldemort said:
You say that but there will come a day when fossil fuel is completely banned and/or unavailable. And that day is sooner than many/most on here would like it to be.
The 'solution' needs to offer cars, buses, motorcycles, vans, tanks, helicopters and all other vehicles regardless of size in an electric format.
The day will probably come, but it won't be in the lifetime of many people on here.The 'solution' needs to offer cars, buses, motorcycles, vans, tanks, helicopters and all other vehicles regardless of size in an electric format.
Voldemort said:
Doofus said:
It's completely the wrong direction for EVs to go if they are to represent any part of the 'solution'.
You say that but there will come a day when fossil fuel is completely banned and/or unavailable. And that day is sooner than many/most on here would like it to be.The 'solution' needs to offer cars, buses, motorcycles, vans, tanks, helicopters and all other vehicles regardless of size in an electric format.
Every major city is trending in this direction at differing paces and via different paths and while a company like RR cannot avoid any future taxes on size or weight they can avoid an outright ban on ICE in these zones. And the simplest solution to hedging against when and how each of these essential market places will act is to A, just go to EV and B, start forming the market and product as soon as plausible.
So the EV product for RR is immensely important because unlike standard brands such as Ford, BMW, Mercedes etc who have very clear and already laid out legislative paths at national levels which to easily preplan and prepare for such as the UK's ZEV Mandate and the 2035 proposed ban on the sale of most to nearly all ICE, RR has the much more complicated and high risk need to predict and try to cater for, guess, the next steps of a multitude of lunatic, provincial power bases that tend to be run as fiefdoms rather than democracies.
Companies like JCB have the similar risks that while they can comfortably plan for various important national changes scheduled for numerous key global markets, they also have to have a range of solutions in the pipeline and prepared to meet whatever random urban legislation appears overnight from eratic, poorly lead, parochial authorities. Hence why they have been fannying around with hydrogen grants as a few years ago more than a few of these local fiefdoms were backing the use of greenhouse gas high explosives in densely populated areas as their backhander, jetski future solution, whereas today manynof those local governments are suddenly backtracking on such overt stupidity now the manila flows have stalled and they will soon be wanting compliance to something else.
The van industry is another one trapped in the disjointed, soundbite leaping and manila guided local politics of urban hubs when it comes to what best for product to develop that will be as future prodded as possible for being allowed to operate in as many urban hubs as possible.
The key being that it doesn't matter where one is or how one uses internal combustion the medium to long term trend is that personal use of internal combustion whether in a car or home is ending and all manufacturers must work to this.
The other key driver for a brand such as RR is that a significant proportion of the consumer base has a growing need to operate under ESG and this isn't just their businesses but how they are personally living. A board exec of a highly polluting business with an HQ in the centre of a global metropolis doesn't want to attract eyeballs by pulling up outside rolling coal and inviting negative PR. They need to roll up in something that while being overtly conspicuous consumption, shows that they care about the planet and works as an idiot repellent.
It was certainly a challenging colour combo, couldn't have picked a better one if your goal was to make the car look bloated and awkward from every angle, Romans have had two in both in a dark emerald green and they looked good though.
I would imagine a drop head Spectre is in the works and that will go down a storm in Miami I would imagine and crest the 3000kg hill along with a £500k price tag.
RR are quoted as saying their customers drive around 5000 miles a year in their RRs so that's around 20 full charges a year if you're doing that in a Spectre, most will plug in at home so it's simply not an issue, EVs are great if you have the means to buy one or access to a scheme and the ability to charge from home.
I'm surprised Harry was surprised at the quote regarding electric propulsion back in the early 1900's electric power was quite the thing back then trolley buses etc,,,(and of course Porsches first EV) but the oil business won the battle when it came to cars.
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