The Lockerbie Bomber and the British cancer drug
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So, this mudering son on a b1tch gets a British developed cancer drug, which isn't available in Britain, while I had to watch my Dad die in agony from Prostate Cancer.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaan...
You could not make this up.
I despair.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaan...
You could not make this up.
I despair.
article said:
This is despite being given just three months to live when the Scottish authorities released him on compassionate grounds because of his prostate cancer on August 20th 2009
I've always had a suspicious feeling that the evidence was bulls
t and there was some other motive.Soovy said:
So, this mudering son on a b1tch gets a British developed cancer drug, which isn't available in Britain, while I had to watch my Dad die in agony from Prostate Cancer.
What's the connection? Are you saying there was no money for your Dad's treatment? Or that it was some years ago and the drug wasn't available?ZOLLAR said:
article said:
This is despite being given just three months to live when the Scottish authorities released him on compassionate grounds because of his prostate cancer on August 20th 2009
I've always had a suspicious feeling that the evidence was bullst and there was some other motive.ZOLLAR said:
article said:
This is despite being given just three months to live when the Scottish authorities released him on compassionate grounds because of his prostate cancer on August 20th 2009
I've always had a suspicious feeling that the evidence was bullst and there was some other motive.t, Sherlock?davepoth said:
ZOLLAR said:
article said:
This is despite being given just three months to live when the Scottish authorities released him on compassionate grounds because of his prostate cancer on August 20th 2009
I've always had a suspicious feeling that the evidence was bullst and there was some other motive.And what fools those who took the decision look, now.
REALIST123 said:
No st, Sherlock?
Are you asking me if sherlock has any st, Sherlock?t or are you asking me if I'm sherlock?, I'm guessing you meant it as a statement such as this "No st, Sherlock!."Indeed you're correct in your statement that the people who made the decision are viewed as fools now.
ZOLLAR said:
article said:
This is despite being given just three months to live when the Scottish authorities released him on compassionate grounds because of his prostate cancer on August 20th 2009
I've always had a suspicious feeling that the evidence was bullst and there was some other motive.One thing I have learned, when a Doctor in this country tells you that there is no hope, go home and prepare to push up daises. DON'T BELIEVE THE tt. Get on the web and you will find a host of available treatments in countries that are far poorer than ours, many of these treatments can cure/prolong life. Just our fking st system that makes them unavailable and our doctors will not even hint at the existence of them. 
t. Get on the web and you will find a host of available treatments in countries that are far poorer than ours, many of these treatments can cure/prolong life. Just our fking st system that makes them unavailable and our doctors will not even hint at the existence of them. Pesty said:
well it needs to be its a fking miracle drug. Unless we were lied to of course.
adds years to the lives of cancer sufferers. pricelss How will NICE try to get out of letting us have it i wonder?
Probably by saying that giving one person a hip replacement is worth more than keeping someone bed ridden but alive for 2 months.king miracle drug. Unless we were lied to of course.adds years to the lives of cancer sufferers. pricelss How will NICE try to get out of letting us have it i wonder?
Sounds cold, but there's only so much money to go round.
So what is the general consensus?
He never had cancer in the first place and it was all made up?
Are people upset that he's buying an unlicensed drug from a different country?
You can't have it both ways, either he is being kept alive by some wonder drug and released on compassionate grounds, or he never had it in the first place so maybe this drug doesn't do anything at all.
He never had cancer in the first place and it was all made up?
Are people upset that he's buying an unlicensed drug from a different country?
You can't have it both ways, either he is being kept alive by some wonder drug and released on compassionate grounds, or he never had it in the first place so maybe this drug doesn't do anything at all.
TheEnd said:
So what is the general consensus?
He never had cancer in the first place and it was all made up?
Are people upset that he's buying an unlicensed drug from a different country?
You can't have it both ways, either he is being kept alive by some wonder drug and released on compassionate grounds, or he never had it in the first place so maybe this drug doesn't do anything at all.
Of course we can, this is ph afterall. He never had cancer in the first place and it was all made up?
Are people upset that he's buying an unlicensed drug from a different country?
You can't have it both ways, either he is being kept alive by some wonder drug and released on compassionate grounds, or he never had it in the first place so maybe this drug doesn't do anything at all.
The '9 months to live' thing is largely media bks. A doctor probably said that, with the grade of tumour the bloke had, the median survival was 9 months. Maybe he was slightly misdiagnosed and had a lower grade of tumour, maybe he's lucky. Getting Abiraterone probably helped given that it looks to work pretty well in clinical trials. Predicting life expectancy isn't an exact science. Getting him out of prison was undoubtedly political but he's not exactly dancing around super healthy is he? He's got advanced, treatment resistant, prostate cancer.
Abiraterone will almost certainly be UK licensed. It's in clinical trials at the moment - it's a fairly long winded process in this country. If it's NHS available is a different question. A course of treatment's likely to cost 30 to 40 grand and the pot of money's not bottomless so who knows?
ks. A doctor probably said that, with the grade of tumour the bloke had, the median survival was 9 months. Maybe he was slightly misdiagnosed and had a lower grade of tumour, maybe he's lucky. Getting Abiraterone probably helped given that it looks to work pretty well in clinical trials. Predicting life expectancy isn't an exact science. Getting him out of prison was undoubtedly political but he's not exactly dancing around super healthy is he? He's got advanced, treatment resistant, prostate cancer. Abiraterone will almost certainly be UK licensed. It's in clinical trials at the moment - it's a fairly long winded process in this country. If it's NHS available is a different question. A course of treatment's likely to cost 30 to 40 grand and the pot of money's not bottomless so who knows?
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/28/health/28prostat...
Interesting piece on the cost vs life extension consideration of these new drugs.
Interesting piece on the cost vs life extension consideration of these new drugs.
Victor McDade said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/28/health/28prostat...
Interesting piece on the cost vs life extension consideration of these new drugs.
And how NICE do itInteresting piece on the cost vs life extension consideration of these new drugs.
http://www.nice.org.uk/newsroom/features/measuring...
I suspect that the release of al-Megrahi was politically motivated, but that he was also very ill at the time. Life expectancy is very difficult to measure accurately and it may well be the case that if al-Megrahi had received his cancer treatment in Britain he would have only lived a few months more.
My father had prostate cancer at about the same time; his appearance and particularly his gait were very similar to al-Megrahi at the time he was released. My father lived another two months.
It is difficult to exaggerate how abysmal my father’s treatment on the NHS was, how incompetent the many doctors who saw him were and how disinterested all the medical personnel - whether doctors or nurses, who dealt with his case were. They really didn’t care whether my dad lived or died.
In the end when it became apparent even to the fools who were treating him that my father’s condition would be fatal, the various hospitals which had been “treating” him entered into a gruesome merry-go-round, discharging him in the hope he would die somewhere else.
Whether or not the NHS offers the full array of available drugs is only part of the problem. Sadly, the diagnostic ability of many doctors in the UK is so poor that the condition is not treated through wrong diagnosis.
My father was such a case. His autopsy revealed a prostate tumour the size of a small melon, and despite having had prostate cancer before, his consultants failed to diagnose cancer at all – believing him to have “some kind of auto immune disease”. He had all the tests; they just couldn’t read the results. I did better Googling his symptoms.
If al-Megrahi had received his treatment at the same hospitals as my dad, I do not doubt that he would now be dead. The UK has some of the worst cancer survival rates in the developed world. Results for other serious illnesses are no better and make sobering reading. Get health insurance.
My father had prostate cancer at about the same time; his appearance and particularly his gait were very similar to al-Megrahi at the time he was released. My father lived another two months.
It is difficult to exaggerate how abysmal my father’s treatment on the NHS was, how incompetent the many doctors who saw him were and how disinterested all the medical personnel - whether doctors or nurses, who dealt with his case were. They really didn’t care whether my dad lived or died.
In the end when it became apparent even to the fools who were treating him that my father’s condition would be fatal, the various hospitals which had been “treating” him entered into a gruesome merry-go-round, discharging him in the hope he would die somewhere else.
Whether or not the NHS offers the full array of available drugs is only part of the problem. Sadly, the diagnostic ability of many doctors in the UK is so poor that the condition is not treated through wrong diagnosis.
My father was such a case. His autopsy revealed a prostate tumour the size of a small melon, and despite having had prostate cancer before, his consultants failed to diagnose cancer at all – believing him to have “some kind of auto immune disease”. He had all the tests; they just couldn’t read the results. I did better Googling his symptoms.
If al-Megrahi had received his treatment at the same hospitals as my dad, I do not doubt that he would now be dead. The UK has some of the worst cancer survival rates in the developed world. Results for other serious illnesses are no better and make sobering reading. Get health insurance.
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