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I'm slightly confused by the public sector representatives who claim a 1% pay rise is unreasonable given inflation is higher.
I have worked in 5 private sector jobs and in no role did I get a set pay rise. My pay was as per my contract, ie a 0% pay rise each year. My pay was increased by moving up, or working elsewhere.
Why should the public sector be any different?
Is this an unreasonable thought?
I have worked in 5 private sector jobs and in no role did I get a set pay rise. My pay was as per my contract, ie a 0% pay rise each year. My pay was increased by moving up, or working elsewhere.
Why should the public sector be any different?
Is this an unreasonable thought?
How long have you two been working?
When inflation was raging, it was common to get a 5-10% increase a year just to go backwards!
When I was contracting there was a point where my rate would go up everytime I renewed, typically 5%.
Things change and inflation is low, unless you drive a lot and don't have a mortgage!
M.
When inflation was raging, it was common to get a 5-10% increase a year just to go backwards!
When I was contracting there was a point where my rate would go up everytime I renewed, typically 5%.
Things change and inflation is low, unless you drive a lot and don't have a mortgage!
M.
0a said:
I'm slightly confused by the public sector representatives who claim a 1% pay rise is unreasonable given inflation is higher.
I have worked in 5 private sector jobs and in no role did I get a set pay rise. My pay was as per my contract, ie a 0% pay rise each year. My pay was increased by moving up, or working elsewhere.
Why should the public sector be any different?
Is this an unreasonable thought?
Is the public sector trying to be different? Whilst a pay rise has never been guaranteed as part of my contract I've never not had a yearly pay rise in ten years of working in the private sector (typically 5-15% each year). That pay rise is totally separate from pay increases due to promotions or job moves. I have worked in 5 private sector jobs and in no role did I get a set pay rise. My pay was as per my contract, ie a 0% pay rise each year. My pay was increased by moving up, or working elsewhere.
Why should the public sector be any different?
Is this an unreasonable thought?
I can't say I know of anyone who has suffered 0% pay increases in private sector jobs (you'd effectively be earning less money each year as inflation erodes your stationary salary).
Not that I agree with public sector pay demands.
Our staff took a small pay cut 3 years ago and haven't had a rise since, effectively meaning they have had a year on year inflationary cut.
In setting next years budgets we worked out where salaries should be in an ideal world (20% above where they are) and have budgeted for a minimum 10% rise in April with more if we can manage it between now and then.
In setting next years budgets we worked out where salaries should be in an ideal world (20% above where they are) and have budgeted for a minimum 10% rise in April with more if we can manage it between now and then.
0a said:
I'm questioning a default pay rise of x% for everyone - the competent and the incompetent. I have never worked in an organisation that promoted that.
I have negotiated pay rises based on performance, if I didn't get them I left and worked somewhere else.
I think you've worked at some pretty sI have negotiated pay rises based on performance, if I didn't get them I left and worked somewhere else.
tty places.Unless management or the business is so poor that there is no growth in revenues year on year.
In 2006 I asked for a UK equivalent to a 401k from my US head office and got nothing back. In 07, I asked for a pay rise inline with inflation and was offered that percentage on my bonus instead of package. I asked again in 08 and was told there was a pay freeze, I was lucky to have a job.
Over the following 4 years no-one out of 350 worldwide sales employees overachieved their quotas by more than 105%. Targets were 'reallocated' if you were heading for a good one.
My P60's went down my 20%, my costs up by 20% and i still didn't get a contributory pension scheme. In July 2011 I was made redundant and have been finding it hard to find equivalently paid work, though I've been willing to put more effort in to achieve slightly less money. Some money's better than no money. I've just landed a job that starts next week
Merry Christmas, you public sector whingings
Over the following 4 years no-one out of 350 worldwide sales employees overachieved their quotas by more than 105%. Targets were 'reallocated' if you were heading for a good one.
My P60's went down my 20%, my costs up by 20% and i still didn't get a contributory pension scheme. In July 2011 I was made redundant and have been finding it hard to find equivalently paid work, though I've been willing to put more effort in to achieve slightly less money. Some money's better than no money. I've just landed a job that starts next week
Merry Christmas, you public sector whinging
s andy-xr said:
In 2006 I asked for a UK equivalent to a 401k from my US head office and got nothing back. In 07, I asked for a pay rise inline with inflation and was offered that percentage on my bonus instead of package. I asked again in 08 and was told there was a pay freeze, I was lucky to have a job.
Over the following 4 years no-one out of 350 worldwide sales employees overachieved their quotas by more than 105%. Targets were 'reallocated' if you were heading for a good one.
My P60's went down my 20%, my costs up by 20% and i still didn't get a contributory pension scheme. In July 2011 I was made redundant and have been finding it hard to find equivalently paid work, though I've been willing to put more effort in to achieve slightly less money. Some money's better than no money. I've just landed a job that starts next week
Merry Christmas, you public sector whingings
So because the people who ran your company were a bunch of aOver the following 4 years no-one out of 350 worldwide sales employees overachieved their quotas by more than 105%. Targets were 'reallocated' if you were heading for a good one.
My P60's went down my 20%, my costs up by 20% and i still didn't get a contributory pension scheme. In July 2011 I was made redundant and have been finding it hard to find equivalently paid work, though I've been willing to put more effort in to achieve slightly less money. Some money's better than no money. I've just landed a job that starts next week
Merry Christmas, you public sector whinging
s holes, no-one else should complain about their working conditions?mattmurdock said:
So because the people who ran your company were a bunch of aholes, no-one else should complain about their working conditions?
Complain by all means, but also be realistic.holes, no-one else should complain about their working conditions?If a private company wants to pay more money it has to make that money. Generally private sector employees acknowledge that in the current financial climate a job with no pay increase is better than no job.
Some, obviously not all, in the public sector think that those rules don't apply to them and that somehow the money is there and will continue to be handed out - their justification are usually along the lines of "MP's expenses" and "banker bonuses", which piss everyone off but don't really win the argument in my book.
johnfm said:
I think you've worked at some pretty stty places.
Unless management or the business is so poor that there is no growth in revenues year on year.
Yes there was growth, and lots of it. I negotiated double figure pay rises on pain of leaving given my performance.tty places.Unless management or the business is so poor that there is no growth in revenues year on year.
Those that had not performed, did not contribute to growth, and were not promoted received no pay rise by default.
I'm questioning why there should be an automatic pay rise even for the most moronic.
0a said:
I'm slightly confused by the public sector representatives who claim a 1% pay rise is unreasonable given inflation is higher.
I have worked in 5 private sector jobs and in no role did I get a set pay rise. My pay was as per my contract, ie a 0% pay rise each year. My pay was increased by moving up, or working elsewhere.
Why should the public sector be any different?
Is this an unreasonable thought?
When I foolishly worked for the State, for the first 12 years or whatever you are in a rising pay scale, so regardless of COL rises/pay freezes etc., most are guaranteed an 8-12% rise every year regardless, and then there are performance pay bonuses, which you only fail to get if you are hard working and competent and not in the Masons (or whatever clique is running your office), and hence rocking management’s feckless boat.I have worked in 5 private sector jobs and in no role did I get a set pay rise. My pay was as per my contract, ie a 0% pay rise each year. My pay was increased by moving up, or working elsewhere.
Why should the public sector be any different?
Is this an unreasonable thought?
I think the fact that a large proportion of strikers took the opportunity to hit the shopping centres to do their Christmas shopping early, whilst moaning to the TV reporters that Christmas was cancelled as they were so hard done by, says it all really!
I've been in plenty of companies that gave a cost of living increase year on year to all employees, even in the worst of it a few years ago.
However is was 100% discretionary in every case. There is a huge difference between a company who wishes to reward employees, even in hard times, and with employees being entitled!
It does annoy me when people talk of a less than inflation payrise as a paycut because it's nothing off the sort. When inflation is caused by uncertain external factors like is happening now then mass payrises will not solve a thing and only cause to speed up inflation.
However is was 100% discretionary in every case. There is a huge difference between a company who wishes to reward employees, even in hard times, and with employees being entitled!
It does annoy me when people talk of a less than inflation payrise as a paycut because it's nothing off the sort. When inflation is caused by uncertain external factors like is happening now then mass payrises will not solve a thing and only cause to speed up inflation.
NewNameNeeded said:
I can't say I know of anyone who has suffered 0% pay increases in private sector jobs (you'd effectively be earning less money each year as inflation erodes your stationary salary).
You havent been hanging aroudn on PH enough - in most pay rise debates most private sector workers bleat on about no pay rises or pay cuts.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff