Food Stamps - What's the issue?
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The standard line says that people will just end up selling them onthe black Market at a write down in order to get cash to buy the booze/gags/holidays and then claim more benefits as a result of living in poverty....why they can't have a persons photograph on them I'll never know though
kiethton said:
The standard line says that people will just end up selling them onthe black Market at a write down in order to get cash to buy the booze/gags/holidays and then claim more benefits as a result of living in poverty....why they can't have a persons photograph on them I'll never know though
This. And some s
te about it being against their youman rights to have to use vouchers instead of cash, marking them out to other people as bums. kiethton said:
The standard line says that people will just end up selling them onthe black Market at a write down in order to get cash to buy the booze/gags/holidays and then claim more benefits as a result of living in poverty....why they can't have a persons photograph on them I'll never know though
Surely this provides them a useful lesson in economics as well as providing cheaper st for those of us who buy them off people at knockdown rates?What about mobile phones and internet access? Essential costs of finding a job, nowadays...
Never mind the cost of utilities, dry cleaning, shoe repairs, (assuming you even have suitable clothes and shoes to begin with) travel to interviews, etc - all over and above the cost of 'food'.
Got to love the PH attitude that all unemployed are 'scroungers'. In the present economic climate there aren't enough jobs for everyone who wants one.
Never mind the cost of utilities, dry cleaning, shoe repairs, (assuming you even have suitable clothes and shoes to begin with) travel to interviews, etc - all over and above the cost of 'food'.
Got to love the PH attitude that all unemployed are 'scroungers'. In the present economic climate there aren't enough jobs for everyone who wants one.
Some hard liners on this thread. While everyone on PH is obviously a Director of at least ten businesses and wealthy...
Put yourself in someone else's shoes. Young family, just about keeping head above water, one half loses their jobs. They've paid their NI and are entitled to some benefit - would you claim or let the family go deeper in the dirt?
Then your not earning enough now, as benefits don't replace so your having to juggle while looking for work. What would you prefer stamps or the cash that you can juggle...
Put yourself in someone else's shoes. Young family, just about keeping head above water, one half loses their jobs. They've paid their NI and are entitled to some benefit - would you claim or let the family go deeper in the dirt?
Then your not earning enough now, as benefits don't replace so your having to juggle while looking for work. What would you prefer stamps or the cash that you can juggle...
Mobile Chicane said:
What about mobile phones and internet access? Essential costs of finding a job, nowadays...
Never mind the cost of utilities, dry cleaning, shoe repairs, (assuming you even have suitable clothes and shoes to begin with) travel to interviews, etc - all over and above the cost of 'food'.
Got to love the PH attitude that all unemployed are 'scroungers'. In the present economic climate there aren't enough jobs for everyone who wants one.
Do you have your suit dry cleaned after every interview?Never mind the cost of utilities, dry cleaning, shoe repairs, (assuming you even have suitable clothes and shoes to begin with) travel to interviews, etc - all over and above the cost of 'food'.
Got to love the PH attitude that all unemployed are 'scroungers'. In the present economic climate there aren't enough jobs for everyone who wants one.
Mobile Chicane said:
What about mobile phones and internet access? Essential costs of finding a job, nowadays...
Never mind the cost of shoe repairs (assuming you even have suitable clothes and shoes to begin with) travel to interviews, etc - all over and above the cost of 'food'.
Got to love the PH attitude that all unemployed are 'scroungers'. In the present economic climate there aren't enough jobs for everyone who wants one.
Never mind the cost of shoe repairs (assuming you even have suitable clothes and shoes to begin with) travel to interviews, etc - all over and above the cost of 'food'.
Got to love the PH attitude that all unemployed are 'scroungers'. In the present economic climate there aren't enough jobs for everyone who wants one.
Wattsie said:
kiethton said:
The standard line says that people will just end up selling them onthe black Market at a write down in order to get cash to buy the booze/gags/holidays and then claim more benefits as a result of living in poverty....why they can't have a persons photograph on them I'll never know though
Surely this provides them a useful lesson in economics as well as providing cheaper st for those of us who buy them off people at knockdown rates?
Brother D said:
So, something I've never quite got my head around.
What are the issues with providing food/clothing stamps for those who choose not to work? Rather than providing cold hard cash to fund the drugs/booze/holidays/sky/new laptops/mobile phones etc?
I would think the cost of producing & distributing "food stamps" then reimbursing the vendors would be a very expensive if not petty & futile exerciseWhat are the issues with providing food/clothing stamps for those who choose not to work? Rather than providing cold hard cash to fund the drugs/booze/holidays/sky/new laptops/mobile phones etc?
surveyor said:
Some hard liners on this thread. While everyone on PH is obviously a Director of at least ten businesses and wealthy...
Put yourself in someone else's shoes. Young family, just about keeping head above water, one half loses their jobs. They've paid their NI and are entitled to some benefit - would you claim or let the family go deeper in the dirt?
Then your not earning enough now, as benefits don't replace so your having to juggle while looking for work. What would you prefer stamps or the cash that you can juggle...
Why would food stamps effect a young family? Their primary outgoings would be food and general utilities anyway. Put yourself in someone else's shoes. Young family, just about keeping head above water, one half loses their jobs. They've paid their NI and are entitled to some benefit - would you claim or let the family go deeper in the dirt?
Then your not earning enough now, as benefits don't replace so your having to juggle while looking for work. What would you prefer stamps or the cash that you can juggle...
And yes I've been there. Unemployed for 9 months until I got a job in February last year.
My solution would to give them a pre-paid card that will only allow transactions on essential items (food (fresh only), milk, gas, leccy, water, a choice of mobile or landline bill, a restricted dongle that can look at job-search sites only.
cheddar said:
Mobile Chicane said:
What about mobile phones and internet access? Essential costs of finding a job, nowadays...
Never mind the cost of shoe repairs (assuming you even have suitable clothes and shoes to begin with) travel to interviews, etc - all over and above the cost of 'food'.
Got to love the PH attitude that all unemployed are 'scroungers'. In the present economic climate there aren't enough jobs for everyone who wants one.
Never mind the cost of shoe repairs (assuming you even have suitable clothes and shoes to begin with) travel to interviews, etc - all over and above the cost of 'food'.
Got to love the PH attitude that all unemployed are 'scroungers'. In the present economic climate there aren't enough jobs for everyone who wants one.
I said 'utilities, dry-cleaning and shoe repairs'. In case you need it spelling out, this is the cost of job-hunting and maintaining professional presentation for interviews.
I'm not talking about designer clothes or trendy haircuts: merely being clean and presentable. A basic mobile phone and internet access.
Current rate of JSA is £67.50 a week.
If you think you can feed yourself and look for work within that, with everything that sum has to cover in order to secure anything other than a hod-carrying job, then I challenge you to present your accounts.
staceyb said:
Why would food stamps effect a young family? Their primary outgoings would be food and general utilities anyway.
And yes I've been there. Unemployed for 9 months until I got a job in February last year.
My solution would to give them a pre-paid card that will only allow transactions on essential items (food (fresh only), milk, gas, leccy, water, a choice of mobile or landline bill, a restricted dongle that can look at job-search sites only.
And how are they going to get to an interview - you have not given them the ability to travel in any way! Before you suggest a public transport card, how do you deal with the rural village which gets two buses a week? And yes I've been there. Unemployed for 9 months until I got a job in February last year.
My solution would to give them a pre-paid card that will only allow transactions on essential items (food (fresh only), milk, gas, leccy, water, a choice of mobile or landline bill, a restricted dongle that can look at job-search sites only.
Actually, thinking about it, the above would not be bad, provided that any other debts creditors agreements etc. can be frozen until the person is in employment. It's ok saying that they should not have Sky, but Sky would not agree to the contract being ended early on the same basis.
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