Winsor repays his debt to the tories

[Derek Smith]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2165192/To...

Winsor spouts the political headlines of Cameron.

He is going to be the most political HMIC ever. Here he is, not even in his post yet, and he's criticisng the police for something which is not their fault.

Cameron gives him a sinecure for writing Sheehy MkII and he repays the compliment by yet again denigrating the police. Note the 'two finger' jibe. He deserves two fingers.

[chris watton]

At least it'll make a change from the usual drippingly left wing labour stooges, who think that grabbing money from the tax payer is a God-given right......

[WhereamI]

Derek Smith said:

he's criticisng the police for something which is not their fault.

Is he? I read it that he was criticising a system that lead to police doing too much paperwork. I'd have thought everyone was in favour of more policing and less paperwork.

The only sense in which it is critical of the police involved is of their typing skills, but does any police officer take pride in their typing?

[Elroy Blue]

Perhaps we should have civilian typists to deal with transcripts of interviews and the like.

Oh hang on! We did. They've all just been made redundant due to Cameron's cuts.

Isn't it a shame that during his appearance yesterday, he wasn't quizzed about the fictional Officers he supposedly interviewed, the lies in his report and his complete lack of understanding about the Police role.

The man whose report destroys the Police service, will now be its Inspector. I'm sure all future reports will show everything to be fine and dandy.

[Derek Smith]

WhereamI said:

Is he? I read it that he was criticising a system that lead to police doing too much paperwork. I'd have thought everyone was in favour of more policing and less paperwork.

He's repeating what Cameron has said many times. Cameron's point is that it is inept police management that has meant police officers doing the paperwork when it is increasing demands that have not been funded that causes the paperwork which was, pre Cameron, mainly done by civilians. But, as pointed out by EB, since the cuts it is now the police who have to do it.

As HMIC Winsor has not control over the demands placed on the police by the CPS and government, nor should he have of course. His job has specifics and that is what he should be concentrating on.

Everyone is not in favour of less paperwork for the police. The government and the CPS both make demands for more paperwork year on year. Every police officer I've ever known has been in favour of reducing pointless paperwork, even those who, like me, are touch typists so in demand when prisoners are brought in.

I think Winsor's point is clear. By repeating political rhetoric of the tories he is saying that he will be a good and faithful servant.

[XCP]

Is the shambolic and overpriced rail service we now have a product of his time as rail regulator?
If it is he should never be given a public appointment again.

[IroningMan]

'Cameron's cuts'...I thought public spending was still increasing year-on-year?

[chris watton]

IroningMan said:

'Cameron's cuts'...I thought public spending was still increasing year-on-year?

It is, it's just not increasing at the same stratospheric rate as it was under Labour - which, to lefties translates into 'Nasty Tory-Led-Government cuts'

[Elroy Blue]

IroningMan said:

'Cameron's cuts'...I thought public spending was still increasing year-on-year?

Well his aid budget is increasing 43%

The Police budget has been CUT by 20%. Even CMD's fanboys on PH can't alter that fact.

[chris watton]

Elroy Blue said:

IroningMan said:

'Cameron's cuts'...I thought public spending was still increasing year-on-year?

Well his aid budget is increasing 43%

The Police budget has been CUT by 20%. Even CMD's fanboys on PH can't alter that fact.

I hate Cameron almost as much as Blair/Brown - all major political parties and their freeloading, mostly good for nothing MP's do the UK a huge disservice. I despise them with equal measure.

But I cannot help but think that if it were Labour still in power, our MSM and army of PS sympathisers would not be talking of ‘nasty Labour Cuts’, but of 'A Brave Attempt at Much Needed Reform' or ‘Essential restructuring for the good of the nation’, comrade.

[Elroy Blue]

But that's another typical PH reaction. Criticise Cameron and that makes you a bona fida card carry communist.

I hold all our current mob of politicians in equal contempt. Brown was mentally ill. Thatcher was tough, but wasn't totally out of touch with her ordinary roots. Cameron is on a different planet and is contemptuous of anyone he considers not on his level. He is a clueless idiot.

[chris watton]

Elroy Blue said:

But that's another typical PH reaction. Criticise Cameron and that makes you a bona fida card carry communist.

I hold all our current mob of politicians in equal contempt. Brown was mentally ill. Thatcher was tough, but wasn't totally out of touch with her ordinary roots. Cameron is on a different planet and is contemptuous of anyone he considers not on his level. He is a clueless idiot.

Can't argue with you on that score.....

[XCP]

I doubt it. Huge march against the Government penny pinching when Smith was in charge.

[Derek Smith]

chris watton said:

But I cannot help but think that if it were Labour still in power, our MSM and army of PS sympathisers would not be talking of ‘nasty Labour Cuts’, but of 'A Brave Attempt at Much Needed Reform' or ‘Essential restructuring for the good of the nation’, comrade.

Feel reassured that whichever party cut the police imprest by 20% in 5 years and then criticised it for the predictable effects would not be called exactly the same by me as I call Cameron.

This is a dangerous experiment, one that was not in the manifesto but is the most fundamental change to policing this country has ever seen. It is being pushed under the umbrella of economy but there is little doubt that it is political.

[chris watton]

Derek Smith said:

chris watton said:

But I cannot help but think that if it were Labour still in power, our MSM and army of PS sympathisers would not be talking of ‘nasty Labour Cuts’, but of 'A Brave Attempt at Much Needed Reform' or ‘Essential restructuring for the good of the nation’, comrade.

Feel reassured that whichever party cut the police imprest by 20% in 5 years and then criticised it for the predictable effects would not be called exactly the same by me as I call Cameron.

This is a dangerous experiment, one that was not in the manifesto but is the most fundamental change to policing this country has ever seen. It is being pushed under the umbrella of economy but there is little doubt that it is political.

I don't think any of them have a clue.

Look at this, and savour the quality and caliber of our modern-day politicians - she could be from any of the major parties, they all act and say the same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ31jMsKOXg&fea...

[ukwill]

chris watton said:

It is, it's just not increasing at the same stratospheric rate as it was under Labour - which, to lefties translates into 'Nasty Tory-Led-Government cuts'

This. +1,000,000

[Elroy Blue]

Winsor confirmed as HMIC. What a surprise.

His performance yesterday (and the performance of the quislings questioning him) proved to me that no Politician should be let loose anywhere near decisions such as these.

Policing is now fked. G4S must be absolutely delighted. Their boss forecast G4S will have taken on significant parts of Policing by 2015 and it will be irreversible.

Winsor proved you can lie, cheat and twist. But if you're the 'elite' it makes no difference. Wait till G4S's contracts end and they decide they want paying more. PFIs have proved what a great success privatisation is after all

(And he'll get a lovely pension with contributions of 3.5%. Perhaps he'd like to up it to 14.2% like we pay)

Edited by Elroy Blue on Wednesday 27th June 12:48

[XCP]

In another thread we are informed by a judge that being drunk is a 'medical condition'.
I should have a medical condition that prevents you coming in tomorrow.

[ED209]

Excellent, so police officers type with 2 fingers and waste loads of time doing this.

Well i am no trained typist, but i dont quite type with 2 fingers. Is this my fault??

Perhaps seeing as i have had zero IT training in 15 years service it might just be the fault of the organisation.

[turbobloke]

chris watton said:

Elroy Blue said:

IroningMan said:

'Cameron's cuts'...I thought public spending was still increasing year-on-year?

Well his aid budget is increasing 43%

The Police budget has been CUT by 20%. Even CMD's fanboys on PH can't alter that fact.

I hate Cameron almost as much as Blair/Brown - all major political parties and their freeloading, mostly good for nothing MP's do the UK a huge disservice. I despise them with equal measure.

But I cannot help but think that if it were Labour still in power, our MSM and army of PS sympathisers would not be talking of ‘nasty Labour Cuts’, but of 'A Brave Attempt at Much Needed Reform' or ‘Essential restructuring for the good of the nation’, comrade.

Spot on, and how many CMD fanboys are there on here...any? There are some who think the Conservatives are the least incompetent and least worst of the three maim parties and some who think CMD for all his failings is better in No 10 than either Clegg or Miliband. That isn't being a fanboy of the spineless one.

chris watton said:

It is, it's just not increasing at the same stratospheric rate as it was under Labour - which, to lefties translates into 'Nasty Tory-Led-Government cuts'

Precisely.