Cameron & Co attracting business during Olympics
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johnfm said:
On the news just now. Showing how they have set up an 'Embassy' to promote UK as a business destination.
Parked outside, promoting UK business brands, are a new Jaguar and a Landrover.
Are these British businesses any more? I thought JLR was a wholly owned subsidiary of TATA?
You could apply that to most car manufacturers - who owns Ford, GM, Mercedes etc. How do you define the nationality of a company - where they design and build or the country the majority of the shareholders live?Parked outside, promoting UK business brands, are a new Jaguar and a Landrover.
Are these British businesses any more? I thought JLR was a wholly owned subsidiary of TATA?
Caulkhead said:
You could apply that to most car manufacturers - who owns Ford, GM, Mercedes etc. How do you define the nationality of a company - where they design and build or the country the majority of the shareholders live?
Well, I would suggest a company that was not doing too well for its previous owners (Ford, maybe?) and rescued by an Indian company isn't really a British company. It is, undoubtedly a British brand - and a very good pair of brands they are.johnfm said:
Well, I would suggest a company that was not doing too well for its previous owners (Ford, maybe?) and rescued by an Indian company isn't really a British company. It is, undoubtedly a British brand - and a very good pair of brands they are.
Keeping up with the trends in Globalisation are your John. the Brits have always been relaxed about National Icons. Our patron Saint is Spanish or Something. Our National Drink is grown in Africa, China or India. Our best batsman is Saffer, our Queen is German and our Marbles are Greek. Caulkhead said:
You could apply that to most car manufacturers - who owns Ford, GM, Mercedes etc. How do you define the nationality of a company - where they design and build or the country the majority of the shareholders live?
It doesn't matter to me what nationality a company is its where the product is made and made to world class standards. Ie that it would be difficult for the company to move production elsewhere without suffering an inferior product. I'm very proud of all our British car production and all the suppliers who are in that network.
Good on Jag and LR well deserved.
Good on Mini too
Good on McLaren
To name but a few.
johnfm said:
On the news just now. Showing how they have set up an 'Embassy' to promote UK as a business destination.
Parked outside, promoting UK business brands, are a new Jaguar and a Landrover.
Are these British businesses any more? I thought JLR was a wholly owned subsidiary of TATA?
An Indian Company, who bought 2 Iconic British names from an American Company, One of which was previously owned by a German Company, and invested (with the UK tax payers help) in both product design and manufacturing facilities in the UK, after the unions agreed to be more flexible. It's pretty much the best manufacturing story we have isn't it. Parked outside, promoting UK business brands, are a new Jaguar and a Landrover.
Are these British businesses any more? I thought JLR was a wholly owned subsidiary of TATA?
I suppose we have the Trent 900, 1000 and XWB at Rolls Royce in Derby. and the JCB's from Staffordshire, and 100000 plus , aerospace, defence and automotive suppliers who are still making bits in the UK, because they can't be arsed to outsourse to china.
Welshbeef said:
It doesn't matter to me what nationality a company is its where the product is made and made to world class standards. Ie that it would be difficult for the company to move production elsewhere without suffering an inferior product.
I'm very proud of all our British car production and all the suppliers who are in that network.
Good on Jag and LR well deserved.
Good on Mini too
Good on McLaren
To name but a few.
Marcos, Westfield, Caterham, Ginetta, Morgan, Honda, Toyota, Nissan, BMW (who make Rolls Royce Cars) VW (who make Bentleys), Vauxhall, sorry GM, (who make the astra) I'm very proud of all our British car production and all the suppliers who are in that network.
Good on Jag and LR well deserved.
Good on Mini too
Good on McLaren
To name but a few.
johnfm said:
Caulkhead said:
You could apply that to most car manufacturers - who owns Ford, GM, Mercedes etc. How do you define the nationality of a company - where they design and build or the country the majority of the shareholders live?
Well, I would suggest a company that was not doing too well for its previous owners (Ford, maybe?) and rescued by an Indian company isn't really a British company. It is, undoubtedly a British brand - and a very good pair of brands they are.I don't know why we get so bogged down with who owns the company when it comes to cars. Jeeps are American, Jaguars are British and Mazdas are Japanese. End of. They may be subsideries of companies from another country but that doesn't mean the company or brand changes.
Asda is a subsidery of Wal-Mart but do we view Asda as American? No, it's a British company. A British company owned by an American company but a British company none the less.
Asda is a subsidery of Wal-Mart but do we view Asda as American? No, it's a British company. A British company owned by an American company but a British company none the less.
Caulkhead said:
johnfm said:
Caulkhead said:
You could apply that to most car manufacturers - who owns Ford, GM, Mercedes etc. How do you define the nationality of a company - where they design and build or the country the majority of the shareholders live?
Well, I would suggest a company that was not doing too well for its previous owners (Ford, maybe?) and rescued by an Indian company isn't really a British company. It is, undoubtedly a British brand - and a very good pair of brands they are.
It's a grey old area and very difficult to define, to give an example, the Qashqai was styled, designed, engineered and built in the UK using a very high percentage of parts sourced from the UK and Europe.
martin84 said:
I don't know why we get so bogged down with who owns the company when it comes to cars. Jeeps are American, Jaguars are British and Mazdas are Japanese. End of. They may be subsideries of companies from another country but that doesn't mean the company or brand changes.
So by your logic what is a Mini Countryman? It's a British marque but it isn't made here.
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martin84 said:
I do wonder why Ford - the worlds fifth biggest car maker and at one point in the 00s the third - couldn't make a proper success of Jaguar/LandRover but some company nobodies heard of in India is doing it so much better.
Because Ford have been useless for years and TATA are massive. When I heard they were going to buy out Jaguar I thought it would be the best thing to happen to the company since the XK6. martin84 said:
I do wonder why Ford - the worlds fifth biggest car maker and at one point in the 00s the third - couldn't make a proper success of Jaguar/LandRover but some company nobodies heard of in India is doing it so much better.
Ford spent loads on Landrover, the discovery 3, range rover sport, the 05 facelift of the range rover to Jag engines and freelander 2 were all conceived under their control. Same with jag for the XF, XK and XJ. All started under Ford but Ford were in major financial trouble and the man put in charge to fix it, was told to fix FORD. Not Aston Martin, or Jaguar or Landrover, so they were all sold off to help bring in some quick cash, even though Aston and Landrover were huge profit maker's, Jaguar were at the turning point from years in the red to getting back into the black. Tata are now reaping the harvest that was sown from Ford.
Anyway, Jaguar and Landrover are British, the world know's them as a British brand and they play that image to their advantage. Long may it continue.
I do remember when Ford were buying up car companies with gay abandon and it was obvious they'd have to sell when they ran into trouble. Ford are a great company and I've always been a big fan of their cars. I like the Jag's from the Ford era also, I'm not keen on the styling of the new ones as I prefer four round headlights on a Jaguar.
Do Ford still own Volvo?
Do Ford still own Volvo?
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