Breaking News! Poor people not to be trusted with money
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You have to wonder how the government ever thought it would end well? Thankfully they ran a pilot project before deciding whether to roll-out nationwide, their plan to pay housing benefit to the tenant rather than direct to the landlord, as it has been for many years.
One area saw a 50% increase in the level of arrears.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21756567
One area saw a 50% increase in the level of arrears.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21756567
However;
Idiots, the lot of them.
article said:
Paying housing benefit directly to recipients, rather than their landlords, will form a key part of the planned new Universal Credit.
The government says lessons will be learned from the pilot projects.
It wants to pay recipients directly as they think it will increase their sense of responsibility over their own lives and make them better able to cope should they move into a job.
So they'll go ahead anyway, more and more landlords will refuse to rent to HB recipients and the councils will bear the brunt as more and more families will need emergency housing while rental houses are left empty.The government says lessons will be learned from the pilot projects.
It wants to pay recipients directly as they think it will increase their sense of responsibility over their own lives and make them better able to cope should they move into a job.
Idiots, the lot of them.
Something rather strange here because the housing association where my wife works already has an issue with people not passing on the HB they receive.
It is a stupid policy, I agree with the prinicipal of the Universal Credit, but that doesn't mean that the HB element, or 'deemed' element, can't be paid directly to the landlord.
It is a stupid policy, I agree with the prinicipal of the Universal Credit, but that doesn't mean that the HB element, or 'deemed' element, can't be paid directly to the landlord.
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hole said:
hole said: It wants to pay recipients directly as they think it will increase their sense of responsibility over their own lives and make them better able to cope should they move into a job.
No they don't. They know full well that these people will not act responsibly with the money they have been given. People value things by the sacrifices and effort required to gain them; free money will inevitably be pissed up the wall, whether by the poor themselves or some berk in government on their behalf.So, what were they really thinking or hoping for?
JagLover said:
Something rather strange here because the housing association where my wife works already has an issue with people not passing on the HB they receive.
I think if your employed on a low wage you can get housing benefit to 'top up' - and this is paid directly to you, but if you are unemployed the HB is currently paid directly to your landlord.grumbledoak said:
No they don't. They know full well that these people will not act responsibly with the money they have been given. People value things by the sacrifices and effort required to gain them; free money will inevitably be pissed up the wall, whether by the poor themselves or some berk in government on their behalf.
So, what were they really thinking or hoping for?
Not being Daily Mail for a moment I'm sure some people mean well but will probably pay the first person that shouts the loudest for money owed. If the Sky,DHS,Avon,Bright House, credit controller shouts the loudest and phones every 5 minutes demanding money then chances are they'll fling the money at those people just for some respite. So, what were they really thinking or hoping for?
Then there will be those who just want to abuse the system. Either way. A recipe for disaster.
V8mate said:
You have to wonder how the government ever thought it would end well? Thankfully they ran a pilot project before deciding whether to roll-out nationwide, their plan to pay housing benefit to the tenant rather than direct to the landlord, as it has been for many years.
One area saw a 50% increase in the level of arrears.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21756567
Your thread title is wrong. For a long time now housing benefit for people in private rented accommodation has been paid directly to the tenant and there has been very little problem with them paying their rent. It is only now the government has chosen to treat people living in council housing the same way as those in private rented housing. Thus the title should read 'Poor people in council houses not to be trusted with money.'One area saw a 50% increase in the level of arrears.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21756567
It is beyond me how anyone can try to blame the government in this - if the government redistribute my taxes to pay your rent then you should spend it on your rent or prepare to live in a cardboard box. If you can't be trusted to pay your rent with the money given you to pay your rent the next step would seem to be an institution that can manage these simple priorities for you. I believe they were called workhouses. . . . . . .
doogz said:
One tenant failing to cope is Margaret Tonks, a single mother from Broseley, Shropshire.
She approached her local Citizens Advice Bureau (CAB) after using some of her housing benefit to pay for gas and electricity and has now built up arrears.
"I do not know why they moved me to the new scheme," she said. "I hardly have enough money to live day-to-day.
"By them paying the money directly to me it created temptation to use it for other things which has resulted in me being in arrears and possibly being evicted. "
You're a grown fking woman! Shoulder some responsibility!
Britain is FULL of MORONS.She approached her local Citizens Advice Bureau (CAB) after using some of her housing benefit to pay for gas and electricity and has now built up arrears.
"I do not know why they moved me to the new scheme," she said. "I hardly have enough money to live day-to-day.
"By them paying the money directly to me it created temptation to use it for other things which has resulted in me being in arrears and possibly being evicted. "
You're a grown f
king woman! Shoulder some responsibility!As some of you may know from my contributions to some of the 'leasehold' threads that come up, one of my roles is working directly in the Housing Association/Social Landlord sector, and to say that the industry is absolutely stting itself over direct payments is an understatement.
It is literally all hands to the pump while screaming "Brace! Brace!".
There is talk of this new arrangement actually bankrupting social landlords with poorer cash reserves, within a few months of it starting.
Operating costs genuinely are increasing due to this, many social landlords are having to take on and train entire teams of staff just to chase arrears.
It will not end well for anyone unfortunately.
tting itself over direct payments is an understatement.It is literally all hands to the pump while screaming "Brace! Brace!".
There is talk of this new arrangement actually bankrupting social landlords with poorer cash reserves, within a few months of it starting.
Operating costs genuinely are increasing due to this, many social landlords are having to take on and train entire teams of staff just to chase arrears.
It will not end well for anyone unfortunately.
doogz said:
One tenant failing to cope is Margaret Tonks, a single mother from Broseley, Shropshire.
She approached her local Citizens Advice Bureau (CAB) after using some of her housing benefit to pay for gas and electricity and has now built up arrears.
"I do not know why they moved me to the new scheme," she said. "I hardly have enough money to live day-to-day.
"By them paying the money directly to me it created temptation to use it for other things which has resulted in me being in arrears and possibly being evicted. "
You're a grown fking woman! Shoulder some responsibility!
basically it's a case of MTFU... rather than the labour created clients of welfare ... She approached her local Citizens Advice Bureau (CAB) after using some of her housing benefit to pay for gas and electricity and has now built up arrears.
"I do not know why they moved me to the new scheme," she said. "I hardly have enough money to live day-to-day.
"By them paying the money directly to me it created temptation to use it for other things which has resulted in me being in arrears and possibly being evicted. "
You're a grown f
king woman! Shoulder some responsibility!it;'s also another reason why it 'doesnt pay to work ' because you can live fecklessly and have no consequences
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