First Transgender Paralympian ?

First Transgender Paralympian ?

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mrporsche

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742 posts

44 months

Friday 4th June 2021
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-57338207

"In fact, it was only last September that she ran her first official race as a female para-athlete - at the Italian Paralympics Championship, where she won gold in the 100m, 200m and 400m T12 events."

"Her physical superiority is so evident as to make competition unfair," she says, arguing that the IOC's exclusive focus on testosterone "makes no sense" when physique is also a factor.

Well i never !!

XCP

16,969 posts

230 months

Friday 4th June 2021
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Surely trans people should only compete against other trans people. Doesn't seem very fair otherwise.

BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo

15,078 posts

171 months

Friday 4th June 2021
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It’s crazy, but then other Olympians won’t speak out against it because they’ll be labelled as anti-LBQTTTGIIIR (etc) and harassed out of the sport. Better to be a silver medalist than not allowed to compete at all.

TellYaWhatItIs

534 posts

92 months

Friday 4th June 2021
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A possible solution is to have separate competing classes.

Good ole fashioned Male & Female events

Trans events for M>F and also F>M

And while we're at it, let's introduce a chemically enhanced category, where competitors can take whatever substance they like. Keep it all separate. It would be all inclusive and a fun family day out with masks.

The world has gone mad.

Ntv

5,177 posts

125 months

Friday 4th June 2021
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Not a bad career path for a good, but not great male athlete tbh

Jim the Sunderer

3,241 posts

184 months

Friday 4th June 2021
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Sounds like that South Park episode nearly 20 years ago.

jesusbuiltmycar

4,549 posts

256 months

Friday 4th June 2021
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Jim the Sunderer said:
Sounds like that South Park episode nearly 20 years ago.
Is that where one of the dad's identifies as a dolphin and surgery to get some fins?

Smurfsarepeopletoo

876 posts

59 months

Friday 4th June 2021
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Surely the fact that trans men arent taking home gold medals in male sports should go some way to show that its not fair on biological women, maybe we should get rid of gender categories and just have the event, and see how many trans women want to compete then.

nikaiyo2

4,811 posts

197 months

Friday 4th June 2021
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Jim the Sunderer said:
Sounds like that South Park episode nearly 20 years ago.
There is a more recent & pertinent SP take on it

https://youtu.be/URz-RYEOaig

XCP

16,969 posts

230 months

Friday 4th June 2021
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There should just be a Trans Olympics for such people to compete at. Problem solved. There might not be very many competitors, but so be it.
Anything else is ridiculous.

billshoreham

358 posts

127 months

Friday 4th June 2021
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Valentina Petrillo is a visually impaired runner participating in the Paralympics at a mature age, I wish her well.

Oakey

27,620 posts

218 months

Friday 4th June 2021
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jesusbuiltmycar said:
Jim the Sunderer said:
Sounds like that South Park episode nearly 20 years ago.
Is that where one of the dad's identifies as a dolphin and surgery to get some fins?
Not the more recent one then where Macho Man Randy Savage competes in the women's sports?

The Surveyor

7,578 posts

239 months

Friday 4th June 2021
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billshoreham said:
Valentina Petrillo is a visually impaired runner participating in the Paralympics at a mature age, I wish her well.
Which is all true, but from the other perspective with professional athletes undergoing strict anti doping regimes to ensure they compete on a level playing field allowing an athlete who has a huge artificial advantage to compete makes the whole sport a mockery IMHO.

irc

7,576 posts

138 months

Friday 4th June 2021
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The RFU has had applications from transmen who wished to carry on playing women's rugby.

A bit like having your cake and eating it.


https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/mar/30/tran...

633Squadron

1,727 posts

39 months

Friday 4th June 2021
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And congratulations to our Olympic winner.... Mildred Beatrice Brown from Guilford in Surrey - who now has achieved what no human ever has...she holds the Olympic and World Records for the Female 400 metres and Mens 400 metres simultaneously.

Jonny Wishbone

906 posts

48 months

Friday 4th June 2021
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There is a precedent for this, of sorts.

The effects of androgenic steroids (testosterone and related natural and synthetic hormones) on the human body are well understood. In particular with respect to sport, we know that under the influence of testosterone, it is possible to build muscle. The reason men are, on average, more muscular than women is because of exposure to endogenous testosterone, beginning in puberty (which is why pre-puberty there is little difference in the muscular development between girls and boys). So far, so obvious.

Exogenous steroid use combined with training can build muscle beyond what an individual could achieve naturally, which is why bodybuilders and athletes use anabolic steroids. Again, this is obvious.

The interesting thing physiologically is that one of the things that happens when you train your muscles under the influence of androgens is that the number of muscle cells increases and this effect persists over time, even when the hormone influence is withdrawn and even if training lapses. This means that anybody who has cheated in sport through using anabolic steroids retains a career long advantage even once they’ve stopped doping. This is one argument that’s been deployed against Justin Gatlin, a known serial drug cheat who has continued to win global medals in the 100m sprint into his late 30’s, almost certainly in part due to the lingering advantages that using exogenous androgens conferred to him.

So, circuitously, to the point: drug cheats in athletics do not receive lifetime bans, a la Gatlin, unless they are caught on multiple occasions. This appears to be replicated across all sports I can think of off the top of my head. This means that sporting authorities tolerate the participation of competitors who have gained a lasting advantage through anabolic steroid use. Female transgender athletes also have a lasting advantage due to the effects of testosterone on their musculature from when they were men, but they are not cheats. So if sport tolerates the former (and I don’t think it should) then it weakens the argument for not accepting the latter.

anonymous-user

56 months

Friday 4th June 2021
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Valentina Petrillo: 'Better to be a slow happy woman than a fast unhappy man'


Proceeds to win multiple medals last September at the Italian Paralympics Championship, where she won gold in the 100m, 200m and 400m T12 events in her FIRST event as a “woman”


Cheat.

633Squadron

1,727 posts

39 months

Friday 4th June 2021
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Iwantafusca said:
Valentina Petrillo: 'Better to be a slow happy woman than a fast unhappy man'


Proceeds to win multiple medals last September at the Italian Paralympics Championship, where she won gold in the 100m, 200m and 400m T12 events in her FIRST event as a “woman”


Cheat.
Seems legit.

anonymous-user

56 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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Both my replies removed. They weren’t offensive, am I not entitled o an opinion?

anonymous-user

56 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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Cliffe60 said:
Both my replies removed. They weren’t offensive, am I not entitled o an opinion?
What were they ?