Do you think it is acceptable to send immigrants to Rwanda?

Do you think it is acceptable to send immigrants to Rwanda?

Poll: Do you think it is acceptable to send immigrants to Rwanda?

Total Members Polled: 669

Yes: 59%
No: 41%
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Discussion

Kermit power

Original Poster:

28,775 posts

215 months

Friday 17th November 2023
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I'd be interested to see what people's view is on this on a straight yes/no basis?

I'm not asking if you think we should or shouldn't take in immigrants, and I doubt there is a single person on here who thinks we should either take every single person who asks or deny entry to every last person either.

The question is simply whether, regardless of the proportion of would be immigrants you think we should accept, you think it is reasonable to send those we reject to Rwanda?

LivLL

10,924 posts

199 months

Friday 17th November 2023
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If that person is from Rwanda and has entered the UK illegally - yes. 100%

Skeptisk

7,607 posts

111 months

Friday 17th November 2023
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Personally I think the whole asylum system is broken and needs a fundamental rethink. The concept and practice wasn’t put in place with mass transportation and welfare states in mind.

Last year there were over a million applications in the EU and U.K. That is a huge number of people.

StevieBee

12,980 posts

257 months

Friday 17th November 2023
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Absolutely not.

It's one rung above treating human beings like livestock. Has overtones reminiscent of slavery and not something a civil society nation like the UK should even be thinking about let alone trying to do.

There are solutions to be found at the point of origin, along the route of migration and on the north French coast. These, however, all require a level of intellect, compassion, partnership working with other nations and other virtues which our current government seems to be devoid of.

StevieBee

12,980 posts

257 months

Friday 17th November 2023
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Skeptisk said:
Last year there were over a million applications in the EU and U.K. That is a huge number of people.
Where did you get that figure from?

According to the House of Commons Library, in 2022, the total number of asylum applications was 81,130 (In 2002 it was 84,132). 23,841 people were granted protection of which 5,792 were permanently resettled in the UK.

The Ferret

1,149 posts

162 months

Friday 17th November 2023
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He said in the UK and EU

Vanden Saab

14,207 posts

76 months

Friday 17th November 2023
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StevieBee said:
Skeptisk said:
Last year there were over a million applications in the EU and U.K. That is a huge number of people.
Where did you get that figure from?

According to the House of Commons Library, in 2022, the total number of asylum applications was 81,130 (In 2002 it was 84,132). 23,841 people were granted protection of which 5,792 were permanently resettled in the UK.
The clue is UK and EU. The EU had 881,220... Not quite a million but pretty close.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained...

bennno

11,787 posts

271 months

Friday 17th November 2023
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We are a soft touch nation, with over generous benefit and healthcare systems for non indigenous people who have never contributed.

Who’d stay in a tented camp in France if they can get a hotel here and 3 hot meals a day.

Why we are taking in Albanian asylum seekers at the same time as BA is pushing Albania as a holiday destination is beyond me, let’s align asylum with fco advice on where is safe to travel.


BOR

4,724 posts

257 months

Friday 17th November 2023
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Migrants, no.
Tories, yes.

Ivan stewart

2,792 posts

38 months

Friday 17th November 2023
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BOR said:
Migrants, no.
Tories, yes.
Predictable trolling!! Aww bless!!

frisbee

5,004 posts

112 months

Friday 17th November 2023
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BOR said:
Migrants, no.
Tories, yes.
To be fair the only person their policy managed to send to Rwanda was Sue-Ellen Braverman.

Unfortunately she returned...

Electro1980

8,426 posts

141 months

Friday 17th November 2023
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bennno said:
We are a soft touch nation, with over generous benefit and healthcare systems for non indigenous people who have never contributed.

Who’d stay in a tented camp in France if they can get a hotel here and 3 hot meals a day.

Why we are taking in Albanian asylum seekers at the same time as BA is pushing Albania as a holiday destination is beyond me, let’s align asylum with fco advice on where is safe to travel.
BA are offering holidays to Saudi Arabia. You go there as a same sex couple and see how it goes. Safe travel does not mean everyone is free from persecution.

StevieBee

12,980 posts

257 months

Friday 17th November 2023
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Vanden Saab said:
StevieBee said:
Skeptisk said:
Last year there were over a million applications in the EU and U.K. That is a huge number of people.
Where did you get that figure from?

According to the House of Commons Library, in 2022, the total number of asylum applications was 81,130 (In 2002 it was 84,132). 23,841 people were granted protection of which 5,792 were permanently resettled in the UK.
The clue is UK and EU. The EU had 881,220... Not quite a million but pretty close.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained...
Ah - right!. Sorry.

Rivenink

3,733 posts

108 months

Friday 17th November 2023
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bennno said:
We are a soft touch nation, with over generous benefit and healthcare systems for non indigenous people who have never contributed.

Who’d stay in a tented camp in France if they can get a hotel here and 3 hot meals a day.

Why we are taking in Albanian asylum seekers at the same time as BA is pushing Albania as a holiday destination is beyond me, let’s align asylum with fco advice on where is safe to travel.
The status of "asylum seeker" should be temporary as possible.

Albanians, generally, have few valid reasons to claim aslyum here (or anywhere). They *should* have their applications processed fairly and quickly, and when they're application is mostly likely denied, they should be deported back to Albania with haste.

If we're flooded with aslyum seekers who come from Albania right now, and you're angry about it, blame the Tories. They're deliberatly slowing processing of asylum applications that's causing the huge backlog of people existing in stty hotels around the country.

All so the Tories can look like they're trying to do sometthing, but are being frustrated by "enemies of the people".


Edited by Rivenink on Friday 17th November 08:57

Tommo87

4,220 posts

115 months

Friday 17th November 2023
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There should be a rule where people get to comment once. Just once.


Skeptisk

7,607 posts

111 months

Friday 17th November 2023
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Rivenink said:
bennno said:
We are a soft touch nation, with over generous benefit and healthcare systems for non indigenous people who have never contributed.

Who’d stay in a tented camp in France if they can get a hotel here and 3 hot meals a day.

Why we are taking in Albanian asylum seekers at the same time as BA is pushing Albania as a holiday destination is beyond me, let’s align asylum with fco advice on where is safe to travel.
The status of "asylum seeker" should be temporary as possible.

Albanians, generally, have few valid reasons to claim aslyum here (or anywhere). They *should* have their applications processed fairly and quickly, and when they're application is mostly likely denied, they should be deported back to Albania with haste.

If we're flooded with aslyum seekers who come from Albania right now, and you're angry about it, blame the Tories. They're deliberatly slowing processing of asylum applications that's causing the huge backlog of people existing in stty hotels around the country.

All so the Tories can look like they're trying to do sometthing, but are being frustrated by "enemies of the people".


Edited by Rivenink on Friday 17th November 08:57
What percentage of people denied asylum actually get deported?

S600BSB

5,109 posts

108 months

Friday 17th November 2023
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frisbee said:
BOR said:
Migrants, no.
Tories, yes.
To be fair the only person their policy managed to send to Rwanda was Sue-Ellen Braverman.

Unfortunately she returned...
Haha - brilliant

Skeptisk

7,607 posts

111 months

Friday 17th November 2023
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Electro1980 said:
bennno said:
We are a soft touch nation, with over generous benefit and healthcare systems for non indigenous people who have never contributed.

Who’d stay in a tented camp in France if they can get a hotel here and 3 hot meals a day.

Why we are taking in Albanian asylum seekers at the same time as BA is pushing Albania as a holiday destination is beyond me, let’s align asylum with fco advice on where is safe to travel.
BA are offering holidays to Saudi Arabia. You go there as a same sex couple and see how it goes. Safe travel does not mean everyone is free from persecution.
But why should we have a responsibility to look after them for ever? That is harsh statement but there are 8 billion people on the planet and a large number of those (far larger than the population of Europe) live in countries where persecution and poverty are rife. If we can’t take them all why should we only take those that manage to find someway of arriving at our shores?


C70R

17,596 posts

106 months

Friday 17th November 2023
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If it were ever in doubt as to how right-wing skewed the NP&E cesspit was, the actually public opinion (when polled more representatively) was a minority of 42% in favour of sending immigrants to Rwanda.

https://twitter.com/GyllKing/status/17248944221757...

bennno

11,787 posts

271 months

Friday 17th November 2023
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Electro1980 said:
bennno said:
We are a soft touch nation, with over generous benefit and healthcare systems for non indigenous people who have never contributed.

Who’d stay in a tented camp in France if they can get a hotel here and 3 hot meals a day.

Why we are taking in Albanian asylum seekers at the same time as BA is pushing Albania as a holiday destination is beyond me, let’s align asylum with fco advice on where is safe to travel.
BA are offering holidays to Saudi Arabia. You go there as a same sex couple and see how it goes. Safe travel does not mean everyone is free from persecution.
But you abide by the rules of the country you live in.

We [rightly] persecute bigamy and pedophiles here, whilst in other countries you can be married to multiple wives and the age of consent is as low as 12.