New army recruiting drive.

[Colin 1985]

Its time to militarize Piston Heads.

Mail online said:

Soldier clocked doing 143mph avoids ban 'so he can save lives in Afghanistan'

The judge's leniency has sparked outrage among safety campaigners and critics, with one claiming the soldier's actions were as 'lethal as a speeding bullet'.

I don't think 143mph is particularly dangerous compared to being shot.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1269178/So...

[Bing o]

Let's run over a road safety campaigner at 145mph and then shoot them, and see which makes more damage?

[Defcon5]

Daily Wail said:

Kameron Edmondson was travelling at 143mph in his Ford Focus ST when police, in an unmarked Subaru Impreza, spotted him.

The 20-year-old Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineer believed he was being followed by the super-charged motor and accelerated.

[Colin 1985]

I don't know what that stretch of the M40 is like but I could imagine there are circumstances where 143mph isn't particularly dangerous.

Although I do think he should have been baned, I still think its a but rich the Lib Dem candidate talking bullets.

ETA: It does sound a bit like i'm defending him doesn't it? Clearly the driver is an idiot, I mostly posted this for the interest it might have.

Edited by Colin 1985 on Tuesday 27th April 13:16

[theaxe]

It's an interesting case but soldier or not 143mph is criminally fast. Perhaps a compromise would be 6 points and a demotion?

[Carpie]

theaxe said:

It's an interesting case but soldier or not 143mph is criminally fast. Perhaps a compromise would be 6 points and a demotion?

Sorry, what? His position at work has nothing to do with it, why should he be demoted? That's ridiculous. Plus the fact that the judge has no power to do it anyway.

Imagine if a sales manager got caught speeding, "Yeah you're going to have to go back to making the tea and work your way up again".

[Saddle bum]

Carpie said:

theaxe said:

It's an interesting case but soldier or not 143mph is criminally fast. Perhaps a compromise would be 6 points and a demotion?

Sorry, what? His position at work has nothing to do with it, why should he be demoted? That's ridiculous. Plus the fact that the judge has no power to do it anyway.

Imagine if a sales manager got caught speeding, "Yeah you're going to have to go back to making the tea and work your way up again".

Right.

[theaxe]

Saddle bum said:

Carpie said:

theaxe said:

It's an interesting case but soldier or not 143mph is criminally fast. Perhaps a compromise would be 6 points and a demotion?

Sorry, what? His position at work has nothing to do with it, why should he be demoted? That's ridiculous. Plus the fact that the judge has no power to do it anyway.

Imagine if a sales manager got caught speeding, "Yeah you're going to have to go back to making the tea and work your way up again".

Right.

Not quite, the state both employs him and has the power to punish him for his crimes. Plus it wouldn't be unknown for the army to deal with crimes committed by soliders through the court martial system which has the power to demote.

For example, this guy was both jailed and demoted and one of the guys involved in this was previously demoted for a D&D offence.

Edited by theaxe on Tuesday 27th April 13:41

[Bosshogg76]

Carpie said:

theaxe said:

It's an interesting case but soldier or not 143mph is criminally fast. Perhaps a compromise would be 6 points and a demotion?

Sorry, what? His position at work has nothing to do with it, why should he be demoted? That's ridiculous. Plus the fact that the judge has no power to do it anyway.

Imagine if a sales manager got caught speeding, "Yeah you're going to have to go back to making the tea and work your way up again".

As The Axe has mentioned, he will be disciplined by the Army. The charge will be along the lines of "bringing the Army into disrepute".

This brings with it the chance of demotion, sanctions in the form of "jankers" extra guard duty, or loss of earnings.

Edited by Bosshogg76 on Tuesday 27th April 13:54

[nonuts]

I doubt 143mph is actually that dangerous, but depends where it was on the M40.

fking sound bites.

[Tiggsy]

blokes an idiot and should have been banned - anyone saying "yeah...but not that fast" does more damage than anyone of the treehugging "speed kills" muppets. It just makes it seems that anyone suggesting 70 is too slow is a moron and thinks 140+ is fine....some of u dont!

140 is not a slip or a lapse of concentration.....not in Focus! he was going almost flat out, tool.

[nonuts]

Tiggsy said:

140 is not a slip or a lapse of concentration.....not in Focus! he was going almost flat out, tool.

Have you driven a modern hot hatch at over 140mph?

I've not driven a focus specifically but my old S3 felt rock solid at 150mph on the autobahn, and the autobahns were in places a lot more twisty and narrower than the M40.

I'm not saying it's sensible to do those speeds in the UK but I don't agree that is is dangerous is a fact.

[elster]

Bosshogg76 said:

Carpie said:

theaxe said:

It's an interesting case but soldier or not 143mph is criminally fast. Perhaps a compromise would be 6 points and a demotion?

Sorry, what? His position at work has nothing to do with it, why should he be demoted? That's ridiculous. Plus the fact that the judge has no power to do it anyway.

Imagine if a sales manager got caught speeding, "Yeah you're going to have to go back to making the tea and work your way up again".

As The Axe has mentioned, he will be disciplined by the Army. The charge will be along the lines of "bringing the Army into disrepute".

This brings with it the chance of demotion, sanctions in the form of "jankers" extra guard duty, or loss of earnings.

Edited by Bosshogg76 on Tuesday 27th April 13:54

Yet still he would be allowed to drive.

Can the judge stop a member of the military driving military vehicles?

[Bosshogg76]

elster said:

Bosshogg76 said:

Carpie said:

theaxe said:

It's an interesting case but soldier or not 143mph is criminally fast. Perhaps a compromise would be 6 points and a demotion?

Sorry, what? His position at work has nothing to do with it, why should he be demoted? That's ridiculous. Plus the fact that the judge has no power to do it anyway.

Imagine if a sales manager got caught speeding, "Yeah you're going to have to go back to making the tea and work your way up again".

As The Axe has mentioned, he will be disciplined by the Army. The charge will be along the lines of "bringing the Army into disrepute".

This brings with it the chance of demotion, sanctions in the form of "jankers" extra guard duty, or loss of earnings.

Edited by Bosshogg76 on Tuesday 27th April 13:54

Yet still he would be allowed to drive.

Can the judge stop a member of the military driving military vehicles?

You need a UK driving license to drive any vehicle in the military. So the removal or suspension of his license would preclude him from driving.

[elster]

Bosshogg76 said:

You need a UK driving license to drive any vehicle in the military. So the removal or suspension of his license would preclude him from driving.

Sorry, not my forte.

Would he lose his job by losing his driving licence? I know I had special dispensation as I lived in the middle of nowhere and was self employed.

[Manks]

Colin 1985 said:

Its time to militarize Piston Heads.

Mail online said:

Soldier clocked doing 143mph avoids ban 'so he can save lives in Afghanistan'

The judge's leniency has sparked outrage among safety campaigners and critics, with one claiming the soldier's actions were as 'lethal as a speeding bullet'.

I don't think 143mph is particularly dangerous compared to being shot.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1269178/So...

Love it when squaddies use their job to get off stuff.

I was behind one in the queue at Paul Smith when he was trying to return an item he didn't want, but it was outside of PS T&Cs. He played heavily on the "...of course I won't be needing it when I am back on the front line in the 'stan, fighting bravely for queen and country".

The armed forces do a job I wouldn't want to do, but with a war going on some people think it's a ticket to preferential treatment.

When I get nicked again I might try, "If I lose my licence I cannot work and I normally pay a lot of tax. If I cannot pay tax think of all the little babies that will die for lack of a hospital bed".

Manks

[Bosshogg76]

elster said:

Bosshogg76 said:

You need a UK driving license to drive any vehicle in the military. So the removal or suspension of his license would preclude him from driving.

Sorry, not my forte.

Would he lose his job by losing his driving licence? I know I had special dispensation as I lived in the middle of nowhere and was self employed.

Depends on his specialisation. I'm not in the Army I'm in a more relaxed part of the military. However I have known MT drivers losing their licenses on totting up, and having to be re-traded (re-trained for another trade).

If he is in something that demands him to drive, as part of his everyday work ie Mobility Troop, then he will be moved to a role where he is not required to drive.

Manks said:

When I get nicked again I might try, "If I lose my licence I cannot work and I normally pay a lot of tax. If I cannot pay tax think of all the little babies that will die for lack of a hospital bed".

Manks

If you get nicked again? are you to stupid to learn from your first transgression?

The line of defence you are suggesting is already used. I believe it's along the lines of pleading family hardship if the defendant loses their job. A neighbour used it to allow him to drive with 18 points and he's a civvy.

Edited by Bosshogg76 on Tuesday 27th April 14:52

[BruceV8]

I'm rather surprised by the Judge's comments and wouldn't normally expect any extra leneiency. I can see his point, though, in that if a driving ban stopped his pre-deployment training then someone else would have to deploy instead of him. Not much of a punishment to sit at home on rear party while your mates are all away (except that he would feel left out and all his mate would think that he's a twunt).

As far as demoting him goes, well he's only 20 so he's probably a Craftsman (a REME private). If so, he has nothing to be demoted to. However the army usually takes administrative action against soldiers who gain convictions as Bosshogg has said. One of my guys has recently been demoted after being convicted of an offence and was lucky to keep his job at all.

Edited by BruceV8 on Tuesday 27th April 14:55

[GingerWizard]

its not that hard to do 143 in an ST... bit naughty though, when in company.....

[Manks]

Bosshogg76 said:

If you get nicked again? You to stupid to learn from your first transgression?

Obviously. Getting nicked more than once in a lifetime of driving = stupid.

But it's OK, I have a cunning plan, I am going to call myself Private Manks from now on and if...sorry when... I get nicked I'll rely upon my military credentials to get me off.

Manks