Incapacity benefit claimants reassessed

[loltolhurst]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11510726

how is this diff to what happens now the test at the mo is a points based test?? will it just cost a fortune in re testing and tribunels. dont understand what is new and i thought incapacity was replaced with esa?

[oOTomOo]

Article said:

For example, a person who cannot sit comfortably for more than 30 minutes will score seven points.

I wonder what these people do at home all day.. I bet it involves sitting for more than 30 minutes...

Plus, as you only need over 15 points to 'pass' and keep getting your benefits and they've already given one fairly big tip out I wonder how long it will be before there is a cheat sheet out on the interwebs for these dossers.

Scrote said:

Cant sit for 30 minutes, can't concentrate propper and I tend to pick my nose in public.

Whassat I get to keep my benefits, ta, shut the door on your way out, i get tired if i have to get up...

Piss boiler.

[clonmult]

loltolhurst said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11510726

how is this diff to what happens now the test at the mo is a points based test?? will it just cost a fortune in re testing and tribunels. dont understand what is new and i thought incapacity was replaced with esa?

What happens at the moment is a complete and utter mess though.

SWMBOs mother suffers from fybromyalgia, which often leaves her completely unable to move, let alone do anything else. Yet she went for the independent assessment and they deemed her suitable for work. I've heard similar with other people I know, the system is just plain broken.

[loltolhurst]

clonmult said:

loltolhurst said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11510726

how is this diff to what happens now the test at the mo is a points based test?? will it just cost a fortune in re testing and tribunels. dont understand what is new and i thought incapacity was replaced with esa?

What happens at the moment is a complete and utter mess though.

SWMBOs mother suffers from fybromyalgia, which often leaves her completely unable to move, let alone do anything else. Yet she went for the independent assessment and they deemed her suitable for work. I've heard similar with other people I know, the system is just plain broken.

how is the new one any different though?

[zcacogp]

I am absolutely positive that if the vast majority of people currently claiming were on the point of starving, they would manage to do quite a number of things which they claim they are 'incapable' of. Tests such as 'sitting still for 30 minutes' strike me as completely irrelevant - I probably can't manage it, and yet have held down a regular job for the last ... ooooh, 18 years.

(Not intended to dismiss the situation of people such as your other half's mum, Clonmult.)


Oli.

[DieselGriff]

There's something wrong with the current situation.

About 9 months ago after a fairly serious illness my incapacity claim was being reviewed and I had to go and see a doctor.

About two weeks later I received a letter telling me my rate of benefit was going to be increased after my review as I was unlikely to be fit for work again (or words to that effect).

The following week I signed off as I was returning to work.

And to think I could have spent the rest of my life sponging.

[tonyvid]

I don't get some of this - a chap I'm aware of gets Incapacity because of some sort of arthritus/immuniolgy thingy. He spends all day at home playing games on the PC and surfing the web so how comes he can't use a computer in an office?

[Devil2575]

zcacogp said:

I am absolutely positive that if the vast majority of people currently claiming were on the point of starving, they would manage to do quite a number of things which they claim they are 'incapable' of.

This is based on what? An article you read in the Mail or is it just what you reckon?

I don't deny that the number of people claiming incapacity beneift seems disproportionately (did i spell that right?) high but to make sweepinmg staements like the above is a little bit misguided. Unless of course you work in the health services and have an inside knowledge...

[thinfourth2]

A relative of mine has just retired from working in the local laundry

He worked there for about 40 years

He is a spastic

Every morning he would get himself up and get ready with assistance and get the bus do a days work and come home.

I know a guy with 1 leg who works in IT

I see many disbaled people working

I see many spongers not working

The system sucks

[zcacogp]

Devil2575 said:

zcacogp said:

I am absolutely positive that if the vast majority of people currently claiming were on the point of starving, they would manage to do quite a number of things which they claim they are 'incapable' of.

This is based on what? An article you read in the Mail or is it just what you reckon?

Just what I reckon - nothing more.

If you look back to the time before incapacity benefit existed (came in around the 2ndWW, non?), people who would currently be receiving benefits a-plenty were out in the workplace, earning an honest living for themselves and their families. Now that the benefits system is as generous as it is, a number of people who historically would be working are quite used to getting a nice free hand-out from the state.

My point is that if push comes to shove, a lot of 'needs' start to disappear quite rapidly. When should those who are happy to work stop paying for those whose 'needs' are starting to look like 'taking the easy way out'?


Oli.

[V88Dicky]

Once this policy is rolled out across the whole country, I bet a lot of people who were claiming incapacity benefit, are miraculously 'cured', and can work again.




"I can see! Praise the Lord, I can see!"

"I can walk too, Praise the Lord!"

etc etc.

[Slyjoe]

thinfourth2 said:

A relative of mine has just retired from working in the local laundry

He worked there for about 40 years

He is a spastic

I believe the phrase you were looking for is "Scopey" now - spastic is just so un-pc
However I agree, my cousin is mentally disabled, but still gets to work in a China shop, a charity shop and McDonalds, is a championship swimmer and bowler too. He recieves quite a bit of financial help from the government (for his parents to help him)
My wife however, due to Cancer, has very limited mobility and is awarded financial assistance until such point she is well enough to return to work.
There is no way at the moment she could return to work, yet if she was called for some assesment she is the kind that would try as hard as possible to pass their tests, and we would lose the help we get.

Edited by Slyjoe on Monday 11th October 13:26

[aka_kerrly]

tonyvid said:

I don't get some of this - a chap I'm aware of gets Incapacity because of some sort of arthritus/immuniolgy thingy. He spends all day at home playing games on the PC and surfing the web so how comes he can't use a computer in an office?

I to know someone who suffered a knee injury from rugby whilst in his teens and apparently he can't work because he has difficulty walking long distances and becomes uncomfortable if he has to sit for long periods yet he can sit at home playing on the internet or his guitar, he can walk to the pub and to the bus stop!

On the other hand my younger brother had meningitis when he was born and as a result has servere learning difficulties which means he requires specialist care 24/7. He to has to go through exactly the same assessment every year to ensure that he is not trying to screw the system. Every year having we haeve to deal with people who phone up and ask to speak to him to arrange a interview so that someone can sit there ticking boxes asking can he do activity XYZ, or activity ABC. This causes my parents horrendous amounts of stress, why, because my brother can't answer a phone, he can't interact with people in order to sit through a interview in fact it would be like trying to interview a 3 year old yet the majority of the staff from the various governmemt bodies that deal with benefits are insensitive and very illinformed :-(

dave

[cazzer]

thinfourth2 said:

I know a guy with 1 leg who works in IT

What job does his other leg do?


(I love to laugh hahahah...loud and long and clear)

Yes I stole the joke from Mary Poppins.

[Flintstone]

thinfourth2 said:

A relative of mine has just retired from working in the local laundry
He worked there for about 40 years
He is a spastic

'Scoper' is, I believe, the currently politically correct term.

thinfourth2 said:

I know a guy with 1 leg who works in IT

How does he smell?

[Jim the Sunderer]

On the J. Vine Show today he was asking a gadgey some of the questions on the test.

It was rather funny. http://www.bbc.co.uk/i/v6bny from about 7 minutes.

[zakelwe]

I am on higher rate disability allowance, use it for the Motability car to get to work and earn enough for them to take away my child benefit.

It's a 1.8 Astra.

See, there is some pain, it's not all roses.

If only the C63 estate was on motability, that would still be less than all those women with 8 kids from 3 boyfriends.....

Andy

Edited by zakelwe on Monday 11th October 17:33

[HD Adam]

There's a quite simple answer to this.

No Incapacity Benefit at all.

Why do you need more money than somebody on JSA? Now, for genuinely disabled people, you could be given a wheelchair, crutches, something for the home perhaps but why does having a bad back, depression, ADHDADHDAD or similar require that you "need" more money than any other scrounger Unemployed person?

Edited by HD Adam on Monday 11th October 18:34

[amare32]

I don't think the Government should give incapacity benefit in cash. They should assess how much food and general essentials + living expenses they incur and then simply supply the items/food they need and pay their landlord directly without the need for cash to pass through their hands.

Don't tell me some of the money is not used to swell the coffers of those who are cheating the system...

Edited by amare32 on Monday 11th October 18:53

[Jasandjules]

The thing that really f**ks me off is that those who are genuinely ill will struggle to get their money whilst the cheating, lying, scheming scum will no doubt know all the tricks and scams and get their money right away....