Jim Davidson - I'm not a c*nt any more
Discussion
Quite an odd piece in The Guardian, about well known bigot, JD, writing a play, that revisits his past, and possibly, rehabilitates Jim into someone who isn't a total 
.
Is it one last cynical grab for fame and fortune, or has he genuinely confronted his nastier side?
We all like to believe in a bit 'o redemption, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Quite a brave thing to do, either way.
.Is it one last cynical grab for fame and fortune, or has he genuinely confronted his nastier side?
We all like to believe in a bit 'o redemption, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Quite a brave thing to do, either way.
The Guardian said:
The young black comedian fixes Jim Davidson with a contemptuous glare. "I grew up feeling inadequate because of your comedy," he says. "You old-school guys got laughs from feeding people's prejudices." Davidson, chunkier than we remember him, bespectacled and grey-haired, listens on as the comedian continues to berate him. "Has it ever occurred to you that all the stereotyping you do is negative? You just don't get it – you're such a fking prick."
It is an extraordinarily dramatic moment, rendered even more remarkable when one learns that the entire encounter is in fact a scene from a new stage play written by the target of the abuse: Jim Davidson. The play Stand Up and Be Counted sees Davidson playing a bigoted, middle-aged comedian who envies and despises the new generation of politically correct comedians who dismiss him in turn as a hateful dinosaur
http://www.guardian.co.uk/stage/2011/mar/06/jim-da...king prick."It is an extraordinarily dramatic moment, rendered even more remarkable when one learns that the entire encounter is in fact a scene from a new stage play written by the target of the abuse: Jim Davidson. The play Stand Up and Be Counted sees Davidson playing a bigoted, middle-aged comedian who envies and despises the new generation of politically correct comedians who dismiss him in turn as a hateful dinosaur
And there was me thinking it was the left who cornered the market in hate and vitriol. I do find the double standards of you 'left types' amusing.
Of course, the likes of Marcus brigstoke (Sp!) ‘looking forward to the death of Thatch so he can piss on her grave’, as expressed in his hilarious comedy act is much classier….
Of course, the likes of Marcus brigstoke (Sp!) ‘looking forward to the death of Thatch so he can piss on her grave’, as expressed in his hilarious comedy act is much classier….
fido said:
Never thought he was in the same league as Manning and Co. IMO, a bit less PC than the other 80s acts Benny Hill, Dick Emery and ilk but IMO just a product of his generation.
Completely agree, we didn't know any better or different at the time. Now I cringe with complete embarrassment and what was considered fair game then. Thankfully lessons learnt.The same goes for most comedy of that era.
Look at the Faulty Towers N***er or w*g dialogue, or any episode of Ain't alf , Hot Mum with the indians with the wobbly heads etc.
Only complete idiots would try to critique the humour of 20-30 years ago with a modern opinion. It just doesn't work, unless your a mejia reporter trying to flesh out a story.
Look at the Faulty Towers N***er or w*g dialogue, or any episode of Ain't alf , Hot Mum with the indians with the wobbly heads etc.
Only complete idiots would try to critique the humour of 20-30 years ago with a modern opinion. It just doesn't work, unless your a mejia reporter trying to flesh out a story.
crankedup said:
Completely agree, we didn't know any better or different at the time. Now I cringe with complete embarrassment and what was considered fair game then. Thankfully lessons learnt.
You do? Really? Crickey.I cringe when I think back about some of the things I said or did as a young chap trying to make my way in the world. At some of the mistakes I made. At how hilariously naive I was.
Strangely enough it never occurs to me to consider "cringing" about other people and their lives or how society was.
The trouble is that comedy does need to have a well observed focus that folks can relate to, and laugh at.
Whether it is old doddery folks, men, car drivers, environmentalists, politicians, policemen, transvestites, or far worse in the case of some like the very unfunny Frankie Boyle... you name it, it's there.
Today's "right on" comedians worshipped on here still attack minorities, but (rightly) not because of the colour of their skin or accent. In desperate cases, they simply rely on a potty mouth for laughs, or attack hectored old comics who were doing what the masses and the TV people wanted years ago.
IMO, comedy in Britain hasn't changed that much, it just stereotypically targets the less vocal members of society who will get offended by their work.
Whether it is old doddery folks, men, car drivers, environmentalists, politicians, policemen, transvestites, or far worse in the case of some like the very unfunny Frankie Boyle... you name it, it's there.
Today's "right on" comedians worshipped on here still attack minorities, but (rightly) not because of the colour of their skin or accent. In desperate cases, they simply rely on a potty mouth for laughs, or attack hectored old comics who were doing what the masses and the TV people wanted years ago.
IMO, comedy in Britain hasn't changed that much, it just stereotypically targets the less vocal members of society who will get offended by their work.
Frankie Boyle is one of the funniest comedians around at the moment.
Frankie Say......
When I heard Cristiano Ronaldo was pictured holding a manbag, I was surprised it was a gucci bag and not another guy’s sack.
The 2012 London Olympics were supposed to restore British National pride. £20 billion to restore British National pride? For £20 billion, we could have written 'F#CK OFF GERMANY' on the moon!
Things to say that would change the atmosphere at a dinner party: "...but if we're all here, who's looking after Madeleine?"
Unlikely lines to hear on a TV Show: Welcome to Blind Date with me, Stevie Wonder...............
All jokes Jim Davidson could have cracked years ago.
Frankie Say......
When I heard Cristiano Ronaldo was pictured holding a manbag, I was surprised it was a gucci bag and not another guy’s sack.
The 2012 London Olympics were supposed to restore British National pride. £20 billion to restore British National pride? For £20 billion, we could have written 'F#CK OFF GERMANY' on the moon!
Things to say that would change the atmosphere at a dinner party: "...but if we're all here, who's looking after Madeleine?"
Unlikely lines to hear on a TV Show: Welcome to Blind Date with me, Stevie Wonder...............
All jokes Jim Davidson could have cracked years ago.
Interesting bringing up FB. When FB first arrived I thought he was funny. After a while I realised he only had one act, one joke. He then repeated it, but slightly different. Thinking on old JD and I realise that actually and rather shockingly I think Davidson is a more rounded "artist" (feel free to insert p1ss there if you wish) with a greater range than FB.
Just a random though to muse on.
Just a random though to muse on.
I feel some hypocracy in the air. I saw JD several times before he was famous, you know the scene, company Xmas do with an up and coming young comic doing an act. He was hilarious. Yes he did all the stereotypical stuff, including his "Nick, nick", taking the piss out of coppers routine and the "Chalky" chat. Can't say it made me any more of a bigot that I otherwise would have become. He was the mainstay of Police functions for ages and a favouirte with the Forces.
After playing the cheeky cockney for years he suddenly became jock, ("Call me Cameron") which was a total let down, considering he had made and lost several fortunes at being a Londoner.
I think to a certain extent he has become bored doing what he is good at and is trying to reinvent himself.
After playing the cheeky cockney for years he suddenly became jock, ("Call me Cameron") which was a total let down, considering he had made and lost several fortunes at being a Londoner.
I think to a certain extent he has become bored doing what he is good at and is trying to reinvent himself.
Only a guardianista would assume he really had a nastier side. It was just the stereotype humour of it's day and it made him a living, much like Manning.
If anything the 'Right On' comedians that followed his generation were even more obnoxious, in hindsight. Go ask Ben Elton how much money he made telling students to be Socialists.
If anything the 'Right On' comedians that followed his generation were even more obnoxious, in hindsight. Go ask Ben Elton how much money he made telling students to be Socialists.
stuttgartmetal said:
Frankie Boyle is one of the funniest comedians around at the moment.
Frankie Say......
When I heard Cristiano Ronaldo was pictured holding a manbag, I was surprised it was a gucci bag and not another guy’s sack.
The 2012 London Olympics were supposed to restore British National pride. £20 billion to restore British National pride? For £20 billion, we could have written 'F#CK OFF GERMANY' on the moon!
Things to say that would change the atmosphere at a dinner party: "...but if we're all here, who's looking after Madeleine?"
Unlikely lines to hear on a TV Show: Welcome to Blind Date with me, Stevie Wonder...............
Oh, the hilarity. Frankie Say......
When I heard Cristiano Ronaldo was pictured holding a manbag, I was surprised it was a gucci bag and not another guy’s sack.
The 2012 London Olympics were supposed to restore British National pride. £20 billion to restore British National pride? For £20 billion, we could have written 'F#CK OFF GERMANY' on the moon!
Things to say that would change the atmosphere at a dinner party: "...but if we're all here, who's looking after Madeleine?"
Unlikely lines to hear on a TV Show: Welcome to Blind Date with me, Stevie Wonder...............
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