Woman pregnant by her genetic father

Woman pregnant by her genetic father

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UncleRic

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937 posts

170 months

Wednesday 23rd March 2011
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http://www.thejournal.ie/woman-carries-fathers-bab...

article said:
Ryan said that the pair felt an instant physical attraction when they met, and soon began an incestuous sexual relationship. Lawrence is now pregnant with his child.
Wrong, seriously wrong on each and every level.

If they are so seemingly aware of GSA (and its apparent implications) and STILL had a sexual relationship they are in no way emotionally suitable to (possibly, depending on whether it's genetically 'normal' FFS) bring a child into this world.

If this does anything other than turn your stomach then I'm afraid you are, in my opinion as 'sick' as these people.

Edited to add. In my opinion it makes no difference what-so-ever that they don't have (and never had) a 'father daughter' relationship.

Edited by UncleRic on Wednesday 23 March 13:06

RemainAllHoof

76,575 posts

284 months

Wednesday 23rd March 2011
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I have heard that women tend to be attracted to someone who looks like their father but that's ridiculous. nuts

SplatSpeed

7,490 posts

253 months

Wednesday 23rd March 2011
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the kid will be a good swimmer!

Jasandjules

70,012 posts

231 months

Wednesday 23rd March 2011
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Oh dear, this is so wrong.

I mean, ok, they are "attracted" to each other BUT surely you still go "best not act on this"...

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

248 months

Wednesday 23rd March 2011
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UncleRic said:
Wrong, seriously wrong on each and every level. If this does anything other than turn your stomach then I'm afraid you are, in my opinion as 'sick' as these people.
Upon what do you base your point of view?

Mista_V

748 posts

231 months

Wednesday 23rd March 2011
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UncleRic said:
If this does anything other than turn your stomach then I'm afraid you are, in my opinion as 'sick' as these people.
Edited by UncleRic on Wednesday 23 March 13:06
Pretty harsh, i'll admit it is wrong, however I don't really care that much, it doesn't "turn my stomach" as you put it, in fact I was eating my lunch as I read it and had no adverse reaction, does that now make me a sick, incestuous human being?...I think not.

byebye

UncleRic

Original Poster:

937 posts

170 months

Wednesday 23rd March 2011
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Ozzie Osmond said:
Upon what do you base your point of view?
Mista_V said:
Pretty harsh, i'll admit it is wrong, however I don't really care that much, it doesn't "turn my stomach" as you put it, in fact I was eating my lunch as I read it and had no adverse reaction, does that now make me a sick, incestuous human being?...I think not.
The 'wrong' POV is based on pure nature. If we were meant to reproduce with immediate genetic relations (familiy) then the offspring wouldn't be born with genetic 'problems' that would in turn potentially stop them from producing their own offspring.

The 'if this doesn't turn your stomach' POV was maybe worded a bit on the heavy side. I can understand people who maybe aren't shocked by it (I'm fine with the site of blood, others may faint etc), but if they shrug their shoulders and think 'well, they didn't have an emotional father-daugther relationship so it's not really wrong' then I suggest they get themselves sterilised before their long-lost daughter turns up on their doorstep and they get her pregnant.

The 'dad' in this relationship is just that FFS. A genetic dad. He knows that that woman is his daughter and yet he still chooses to sleep with her. I couldn't care less that he didn't raise her, he still fathered her and I can't honestly believe that deep down he dosen't appreciate that. He's either off his trolley or a raving pervert. The daughter seems to understand (though chooses to ignore) the GSA side of things. She knows that there is a 'reason' why she finds him 'attractive' but still chooses to continue the relationship. "Oh well, I fancy you because I'm genetically programmed to because we haven't formed an emotional relationship through years being raised as father and daughter and I know it's sort of F'kd up, but meh', lets get it on anyway because it feels like we should and neither one of us is willing to step back and realise why we are 'attracted' to each other."

Very sad.

SplatSpeed

7,490 posts

253 months

Wednesday 23rd March 2011
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will somebody think of the children!

pugwash4x4

7,541 posts

223 months

Wednesday 23rd March 2011
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NOt as bad as that couple a while ago, who shacked up got married, had a child and THEN found out they were brother and sister. The courtrs forced them to seperate and iirc one of them ended up in jail because they just wouldn't stop seeing each other.


But from their point of view they weren't brother and sister and didn't have that sort of repulsion- they were just two people who happened to share genetics!

Mista_V

748 posts

231 months

Wednesday 23rd March 2011
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UncleRic said:
The 'if this doesn't turn your stomach' POV was maybe worded a bit on the heavy side. I can understand people who maybe aren't shocked by it (I'm fine with the site of blood, others may faint etc), but if they shrug their shoulders and think 'well, they didn't have an emotional father-daugther relationship so it's not really wrong' then I suggest they get themselves sterilised before their long-lost daughter turns up on their doorstep and they get her pregnant.
Oh yes, I am certainly not disputing the situation is "wrong", I would question someone who thought otherwise also, the heavy wording you mention was the only bit that caught my attention!

Jasandjules

70,012 posts

231 months

Wednesday 23rd March 2011
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SplatSpeed said:
will somebody think of the children!
Unfortunately the father thinks all too much of his child.............

dmulally

6,216 posts

182 months

Wednesday 23rd March 2011
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Its too early in the morning to come up with a Fritzl pun.

AlexC1981

4,943 posts

219 months

Wednesday 23rd March 2011
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I don't care what they do together as long as they are happy, but actually having an inbred child is a very very bad idea. I hope the kid doesn't have any health problems.

rudecherub

1,997 posts

168 months

Wednesday 23rd March 2011
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AlexC1981 said:
I don't care what they do together as long as they are happy, but actually having an inbred child is a very very bad idea. I hope the kid doesn't have any health problems.
When civil partnerships were introduced one of the arguments that Labour ministers put forward for not allowing spinster sisters to enter into a civil partnership was that it would condone incest.

However the problem is why? Incest between consenting adults might be repugnant to me, YMMV but it's just a moral / religious value.

The issue being the issue, ie children, however the reality is close interbreeding is not necessarily dangerous in a single pairing, if repeated over a number of generations the problems increase - such as seen in cousin marriage in certain ethnic groups, but in itself close interbreeding can fix desirable traits or it can lead to problems. Hence in selective breeding ie the process that gave us domestic animals, it's a common mechanism, and in evolutionary terms IIRC was necessary to fix a beneficial mutation ie evolution happens in small isolated populations where there is inevitable interbreeding.

Although there maybe a increased danger of genetic disease this in itself can't be an argument against incest between consenting adults - otherwise the same value should be placed on unrelated couples who happen by chance to more likely to pass on an inherited condition.

In conclusion incest is a sin, but so is homosexuality and eating shellfish. Just because you or I find it repulsive isn't a reason to outlaw it.

Streps

2,450 posts

168 months

Wednesday 23rd March 2011
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I have no problem with them being in a relationship.

But why not adopt a child instead of bringing an inbred kid into the world
Especially with the higher risks of congenital birth defects.

Stevenj214

4,941 posts

230 months

Wednesday 23rd March 2011
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UncleRic said:
If this does anything other than turn your stomach then I'm afraid you are, in my opinion as 'sick' as these people.
There are many types of relationships which turn my stomach. Abusive, harmfully co-dependent, unconsenting. The relationship in question does not.

Tiggsy

10,261 posts

254 months

Thursday 24th March 2011
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UncleRic said:
The 'wrong' POV is based on pure nature. If we were meant to reproduce with immediate genetic relations (familiy) then the offspring wouldn't be born with genetic 'problems' that would in turn potentially stop them from producing their own offspring.
If you go through life repulsed by anything that is "wrong" based on what nature intended, you'll be very repulsed!

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

257 months

Thursday 24th March 2011
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Mista_V said:
UncleRic said:
If this does anything other than turn your stomach then I'm afraid you are, in my opinion as 'sick' as these people.
Edited by UncleRic on Wednesday 23 March 13:06
Pretty harsh, i'll admit it is wrong, however I don't really care that much, it doesn't "turn my stomach" as you put it, in fact I was eating my lunch as I read it and had no adverse reaction, does that now make me a sick, incestuous human being?...I think not.

byebye
This is normal behaviour in some cultures...

Are we wrong, or are they wrong?

grumbledoak

31,588 posts

235 months

Thursday 24th March 2011
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GSA is quite real. "Long lost" half brothers and sisters do fall in love.

It's a little more sick in this case because they both seemingly knew they were father and daughter.

andy_s

19,423 posts

261 months

Thursday 24th March 2011
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SplatSpeed said:
the kid will be a good swimmer!


And awesome at the banjo.