Tory voters. Are you embarassed yet?
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KardioKate said:
It's a culmination of a debt society which seems to be a worldwide problem.
It's more of a western problem in my experience. The Asian mindset is very much saving for the future, probably as a result of lacking the benefits safety net, and wanting to provide for their kids/family. It's also a lot harder to get over your head on finance out here. As an example, I have a credit card with the equivalent of about a month' salary limit on it. When I found an apartment, I wanted a 50" plasma and hone cinema (to be stereotypical) and the store was offering interest free credit. I was pleasantly surprised when they insisted on me having a CC and then charging the 2 year interest free credit to the existing limit. In the UK, I'd have been given a separate line of credit, so consumers here can only reach a certain level of debt (or so it seems).I hope that one of the few positives that everyone can learn from this debacle is that growth is achieved through either working harder or more efficiently, not through cheap and easy credit. My personal fear is that the West's largess and credit binge will have negative affects on the poor b
ds out here who just want a better life for their kids, not the latest S-line Audi and designer clothes.KardioKate said:
It's a culmination of a debt society which seems to be a worldwide problem.
In my view it's deliberate.I've said it before. The average western man in the street got too rich. Raising the rest of the world by the bootstraps hasn't worked.
The gulf between the two needs to be narrowed to stop conflicts.
If you can't raise the lowest, lower the highest (of course the real rich will always be so, so it won't matter to them
)It's all about preventing wars on an over populated planet.
pacman1 said:
KardioKate said:
It's a culmination of a debt society which seems to be a worldwide problem.
In my view it's deliberate.I've said it before. The average western man in the street got too rich. Raising the rest of the world by the bootstraps hasn't worked.
The gulf between the two needs to be narrowed to stop conflicts.
If you can't raise the lowest, lower the highest (of course the real rich will always be so, so it won't matter to them
)It's all about preventing wars on an over populated planet.
By printing money backed by nations IOU's these previously unmortgaged assets are 'lent' to government, mostly in USD$ in exchange for the newly minted money - and enter the system which is administered by the usual suspects.
pacman1 said:
KardioKate said:
It's a culmination of a debt society which seems to be a worldwide problem.
In my view it's deliberate.I've said it before. The average western man in the street got too rich. Raising the rest of the world by the bootstraps hasn't worked.
At least it didn't work when there were incompetent politicians such as Clinton and Brown doing more harm than good, and when toxic debt was traded blindly by masters of the universe.
Handouts are handouts whatever the source, and breed dependence. Handouts funded by state theft won't work any better than handouts funded by state borrowings, mainly because too many of the the recipients are incapable of making good decisions, their entire history is full of bad life decisions, so before long we're back to even more handouts. That's how the country's welfare bill is now £200bn per year.
perdu said:
M3333 said:
B Huey said:
Oliver Letwin
William Hague
Liam Fox
Cameron and Osborne talking the economy to a grinding halt.
No plan B. Plan A sucks.
So do enlighten us how you would fix 13 years of Labours spendfest that has devestated our economy?William Hague
Liam Fox
Cameron and Osborne talking the economy to a grinding halt.
No plan B. Plan A sucks.
M3333 said:
B Huey said:
Oliver Letwin
William Hague
Liam Fox
Cameron and Osborne talking the economy to a grinding halt.
No plan B. Plan A sucks.
So do enlighten us how you would fix 13 years of Labours spendfest that has devestated our economy?William Hague
Liam Fox
Cameron and Osborne talking the economy to a grinding halt.
No plan B. Plan A sucks.
Which is...?essexplumber said:
I don't understand this class hatred thing. Toff's?
It's blaming people for who their parents are, and for the choices their parents made. It's as bigoted and wrong as denigrating people for being black.The people who happily call others Todd's seem to get strangely angry when you call them proletarian scum, which is a bit strange.
To the OP: No. Next question?
To Labour voters from 1997, 2001 and 2005 (not to mention the utter morons who voted for them yet again in 2010 - morons does not include those for whom Labour had deliberately, through the creation of public sector non-jobs and the s,ewing of the benefit system, made it imperative to vote Labour): are you ready to apologise to the rest of us?
To Labour voters from 1997, 2001 and 2005 (not to mention the utter morons who voted for them yet again in 2010 - morons does not include those for whom Labour had deliberately, through the creation of public sector non-jobs and the s,ewing of the benefit system, made it imperative to vote Labour): are you ready to apologise to the rest of us?
Zod said:
To the OP: No. Next question?
To Labour voters from 1997, 2001 and 2005 (not to mention the utter morons who voted for them yet again in 2010 - morons does not include those for whom Labour had deliberately, through the creation of public sector non-jobs and the s,ewing of the benefit system, made it imperative to vote Labour): are you ready to apologise to the rest of us?
Why should they? they all got their free sTo Labour voters from 1997, 2001 and 2005 (not to mention the utter morons who voted for them yet again in 2010 - morons does not include those for whom Labour had deliberately, through the creation of public sector non-jobs and the s,ewing of the benefit system, made it imperative to vote Labour): are you ready to apologise to the rest of us?
t, easy imported immigrants, easy jobs. It was a brilliant 13 years for them..no need to apologise for getting what they wanted.We need to apologise to the rest of the uk for not being able to get rid of those t
ts earlier and sort out the problems earlier. We were useless and still are because we delivered a coalition that is neither fairy dust libdem or proper right of center tory. It is now a strangled cat with clipped claws!Zod said:
To the OP: No. Next question?
To Labour voters from 1997, 2001 and 2005 (not to mention the utter morons who voted for them yet again in 2010 - morons does not include those for whom Labour had deliberately, through the creation of public sector non-jobs and the s,ewing of the benefit system, made it imperative to vote Labour): are you ready to apologise to the rest of us?
I voted Labour the first two times and didn't vote for anybody the third (so effectively voted Labour again), and I do apologise unreservedly. I was brought up in a Labour family where B Huey and Thinfourth's views were common and it stuck - I uttered the words "Maggie Thatcher, milk snatcher" on more than one occasion. Then I grew up and realised what Labour were actually doing: spending money we didn't have on people that didn't deserve it in the hopes that they'd do the government equivalent of winning the Lottery some time in the future.To Labour voters from 1997, 2001 and 2005 (not to mention the utter morons who voted for them yet again in 2010 - morons does not include those for whom Labour had deliberately, through the creation of public sector non-jobs and the s,ewing of the benefit system, made it imperative to vote Labour): are you ready to apologise to the rest of us?
This time around I voted Tory and I'm glad I did because, although we are up to our necks in poo right now, with Labour still in and spending like there's no tomorrow we'd have submerged in it ages ago.
I'm not a Tory but I'm also not Labour any more, I will from now on vote for who I think is best for the job at the time, and this time around it was the Tories - anyone who voted Labour should've had their sanity questioned.
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