Cameron fires Aidan Burley for hiring Nazi uniform,

[MX7]

cardigankid said:

I wouldn't do it myself, but I would like someone to explain why wearing an SS uniform at a fancy dress party is wrong.

With relevance to what? France or the Conservative Party?

I guess you mean Sparks? I don't think it was a conscious effort to dress like Hitler, and I think it's unfortunate that one guy can hijack a style like that. Richard herring went some way to try and reclaim it.

Edited by MX7 on Thursday 22 December 19:38

[paddyhasneeds]

Du1point8 said:

Are you asking why its wrong or why its wrong to do that in a country that has made dressing up as an SS uniformed officer illegal and can't see why its wrong to do it in their country?

I'm asking because personally, I think dressing up as a Klansman would be a stupid thing to do, but some people obviously don't, ditto the Nazi thing, I would have thought it obvious to anyone that, in this context, it's a stupid thing to do but some people don't.

This wasn't a WWII themed fancy dress party where you may have the guy dressed as a Nazi next to the guy dressed as Mussolini and a guy dressed as Churchill, in that context I don't see an issue - this was, I believe, one guy dressed up as a Nazi, in a country where it's illegal (though tbh I do think that may be being overplayed for political gain) and let's not forget the alleged singalong/chants.

A stupid act at every level by all involved.

[Du1point8]

paddyhasneeds said:

Du1point8 said:

Are you asking why its wrong or why its wrong to do that in a country that has made dressing up as an SS uniformed officer illegal and can't see why its wrong to do it in their country?

I'm asking because personally, I think dressing up as a Klansman would be a stupid thing to do, but some people obviously don't, ditto the Nazi thing, I would have thought it obvious to anyone that, in this context, it's a stupid thing to do but some people don't.

This wasn't a WWII themed fancy dress party where you may have the guy dressed as a Nazi next to the guy dressed as Mussolini and a guy dressed as Churchill, in that context I don't see an issue - this was, I believe, one guy dressed up as a Nazi, in a country where it's illegal (though tbh I do think that may be being overplayed for political gain) and let's not forget the alleged singalong/chants.

A stupid act at every level by all involved.

The issue is that Mr Burley is the one the supposedly hired the uniform and was the person who decided to do it.. so even more stupid unless he states otherwise but at the moment he has said nothing and refusing to answer that simple question.

[vonuber]

Seriously, how can it be 'hilarious' to dress up as the SS?

[shauniebabes]

vonuber said:

Seriously, how can it be 'hilarious' to dress up as the SS?

Ask Mel Brooks

[cardigankid]

Precisely. The fact that it is illegal in France is only an indictment of their hypocritical attitude to humour.

[cardigankid]

MX7 said:

cardigankid said:

I wouldn't do it myself, but I would like someone to explain why wearing an SS uniform at a fancy dress party is wrong.

With relevance to what? France or the Conservative Party?

I guess you mean Sparks? I don't think it was a conscious effort to dress like Hitler, and I think it's unfortunate that one guy can hijack a style like that. Richard herring went some way to try and reclaim it.

yes, Sparks was the name.

If I were a Conservative MP, I wouldn't do it, though some of these people are anormal prats, and dressing as the SS would be among the least offensive ways they amuse themselves. Other than that I could envisage situations where that kind of fancy dress would be amusing. I think that we are in danger of entering new depths of PC where you have to be careful what you laugh at.

[DonkeyApple]

The fact is that in this country due to characters like Cleese and Mel Brooks over the water and the fact that we have a large Jewish community who tend to use humour when discussing past events means that we view things differently and we can have shows like Allo Allo etc.

It is different in France. They live with the history that they did not fight and that they sold their Jews for cash. Hence they have no humour around the Nazi primarily due to a national shame and guilt IMHO.

So. This boy showed enormous error of judgement in fking about with Nazi uniforms in France.

Second, as someone working in Government he showed enormous error of judgement in not looking at how past events had been treated by the media and deciding maybe it beat just to swerve that one.

And finally and the most relevant fact in all of this. He is a liar. And he is a coward.

When questioned he attempted to lie and squirm his way out.

Like most people in politics he is wholly unsuitable to be in politics.

[Munter]

cardigankid said:

I think that we are in danger of entering new depths of PC where you have to be careful what you laugh at.

One assumes the country is also up in arms about this particularly disgusting Nazi themed show.

[Digga]

DonkeyApple said:

Like most people in politics he is wholly unsuitable to be in politics.

I revert to my previous comment - it's still a shame, becuase we've worked with him on some worthwhile projects he's instigated within his constituency. He did actually have some presence within and some connection to his constituency. (Our businesses are within his constituency, but he is not 'my' MP.)

[turbobloke]

They're all at it in one way or another.

"Ed Miliband suffered a fresh blow to his leadership yesterday after a Labour MP was forced to quit a party role after portraying Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond as Hitler in a spoof video."

Click

[DonkeyApple]

turbobloke said:

They're all at it in one way or another.

"Ed Miliband suffered a fresh blow to his leadership yesterday after a Labour MP was forced to quit a party role after portraying Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond as Hitler in a spoof video."

Click

Seems a farcical reaction seeing as the continula and non stop editing of the Downfall video is a standard internet joke and one is done for almost every event.

It never had any relevance to Nazism in the first instance and has none now as it has taken on its own meaning entirely.

I'm surprised someone hasn't done one for The Abbott frothing about taxi drivers etc.

[MX7]

It seems de rigueur at the moment.

[Northern Munkee]

There was someone on C4 news frothing at the mouth about the Downfall parody last night, saying it was disrespectful to the millions that lost their lives in the concentratiOn camps, deliberately having a humour bypass & refusing to acknowledge that the parodies are not glorifying Hitler or being disrespectful, but are about taking the piss out of someone about being an irrational nutter. He kept saying he was not the joke police, but in holocaust remembrance week, it was a disgrace, and when the other speaker finally got a word in edge ways and pointed out that there's a popular one done with Hebrew subtitles by a Tel Aviv resident complaining about car parking restrictions, even he started to smirk.