Newt Gingrich's promise to build a base on the moon by 2020
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AshVX220 said:
To end such bickering, it pisses me off (why people can't just answer questions put to them without being sarcastic about it is beyond me!).
What I think PZR is referring to Jimbeaux is that it's generally acepted that the Chinese discovered/invented gun powder and explosives etc.
If I'm in-correct then maybe someone could correct me without starting another pissing contest.
Perhaps you don't realise the sheer magnitude of the question? Jimbeaux cites the Abacus as an example, which is quite possibly another example of him looking down his nose at 'the Chinese'. What I think PZR is referring to Jimbeaux is that it's generally acepted that the Chinese discovered/invented gun powder and explosives etc.
If I'm in-correct then maybe someone could correct me without starting another pissing contest.
It's a big subject.
AJS- said:
New POD said:
Easier than promising world peace, the end to child poverty, justice for the American Indians, Equal opportunities for minorities, sensible ways to get health care to everyone. etc.
More fun too!AshVX220 said:
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snip What I think PZR is referring to Jimbeaux is that it's generally acepted that the Chinese discovered/invented gun powder and explosives etc.
If I'm in-correct then maybe someone could correct me without starting another pissing contest.
I was, however (as I did point out) referring to relatively recent technology spinoffs directly related to the space program. How that segwayed into ancient Chinese inventions, I know not.PZR said:
AshVX220 said:
To end such bickering, it pisses me off (why people can't just answer questions put to them without being sarcastic about it is beyond me!).
What I think PZR is referring to Jimbeaux is that it's generally acepted that the Chinese discovered/invented gun powder and explosives etc.
If I'm in-correct then maybe someone could correct me without starting another pissing contest.
Perhaps you don't realise the sheer magnitude of the question? Jimbeaux cites the Abacus as an example, which is quite possibly another example of him looking down his nose at 'the Chinese'. What I think PZR is referring to Jimbeaux is that it's generally acepted that the Chinese discovered/invented gun powder and explosives etc.
If I'm in-correct then maybe someone could correct me without starting another pissing contest.
It's a big subject.
Slightly OT, but could we (humans/mankind) build a base on the moon or mars that could become entirely self sufficient in any way whatsoever?
I have something in my mind along the lines that, the spacestation is incredibly self sufficient to a degree, but requires supplies on the food front etc, and perhaps something like the eden project combined could somehow become a contained area capable of supporting a few inhabitants.
On mars or the moon, if we were to ship the correct parts/pieces/seeds whatever at the start, could life out there exist indefinitely without further interferrence or supplies? Are there the raw materials and nutrients, and importantly, is there enough sun on mars to get stuff growing?
Just a thought.
I have something in my mind along the lines that, the spacestation is incredibly self sufficient to a degree, but requires supplies on the food front etc, and perhaps something like the eden project combined could somehow become a contained area capable of supporting a few inhabitants.
On mars or the moon, if we were to ship the correct parts/pieces/seeds whatever at the start, could life out there exist indefinitely without further interferrence or supplies? Are there the raw materials and nutrients, and importantly, is there enough sun on mars to get stuff growing?
Just a thought.
dirty boy said:
Slightly OT, but could we (humans/mankind) build a base on the moon or mars that could become entirely self sufficient in any way whatsoever?
I have something in my mind along the lines that, the spacestation is incredibly self sufficient to a degree, but requires supplies on the food front etc, and perhaps something like the eden project combined could somehow become a contained area capable of supporting a few inhabitants.
On mars or the moon, if we were to ship the correct parts/pieces/seeds whatever at the start, could life out there exist indefinitely without further interferrence or supplies? Are there the raw materials and nutrients, and importantly, is there enough sun on mars to get stuff growing?
Just a thought.
I assume we could sustain to the point that we could renew supplies by growing vegatation, small livestock, water production, etc. However, that would be limited to the confines of some sort of Bio-Dome IMO. I have something in my mind along the lines that, the spacestation is incredibly self sufficient to a degree, but requires supplies on the food front etc, and perhaps something like the eden project combined could somehow become a contained area capable of supporting a few inhabitants.
On mars or the moon, if we were to ship the correct parts/pieces/seeds whatever at the start, could life out there exist indefinitely without further interferrence or supplies? Are there the raw materials and nutrients, and importantly, is there enough sun on mars to get stuff growing?
Just a thought.
Depends on what timelines we're talking about.
I recall seeing a programme where they discussed colonising Mars. The first teams would place huge CO2 producing stacks, that would (over time) create an atmosphere/ozone. Then plants could be planted in abundance to convert that CO2 into air. Then you have yourself a breathable atmosphere.
Don't know if it's possible or if it would work, I guess it would take a god few hundred years though.
I recall seeing a programme where they discussed colonising Mars. The first teams would place huge CO2 producing stacks, that would (over time) create an atmosphere/ozone. Then plants could be planted in abundance to convert that CO2 into air. Then you have yourself a breathable atmosphere.
Don't know if it's possible or if it would work, I guess it would take a god few hundred years though.
AshVX220 said:
Depends on what timelines we're talking about.
I recall seeing a programme where they discussed colonising Mars. The first teams would place huge CO2 producing stacks, that would (over time) create an atmosphere/ozone. Then plants could be planted in abundance to convert that CO2 into air. Then you have yourself a breathable atmosphere.
Don't know if it's possible or if it would work, I guess it would take a god few hundred years though.
I'd assume something of that scale would take millions of years.I recall seeing a programme where they discussed colonising Mars. The first teams would place huge CO2 producing stacks, that would (over time) create an atmosphere/ozone. Then plants could be planted in abundance to convert that CO2 into air. Then you have yourself a breathable atmosphere.
Don't know if it's possible or if it would work, I guess it would take a god few hundred years though.
dirty boy said:
Slightly OT, but could we (humans/mankind) build a base on the moon or mars that could become entirely self sufficient in any way whatsoever?
I have something in my mind along the lines that, the spacestation is incredibly self sufficient to a degree, but requires supplies on the food front etc, and perhaps something like the eden project combined could somehow become a contained area capable of supporting a few inhabitants.
On mars or the moon, if we were to ship the correct parts/pieces/seeds whatever at the start, could life out there exist indefinitely without further interferrence or supplies? Are there the raw materials and nutrients, and importantly, is there enough sun on mars to get stuff growing?
Just a thought.
Mars definitely. Plenty of water, plenty of oxygen. It's an entire planet - after all.I have something in my mind along the lines that, the spacestation is incredibly self sufficient to a degree, but requires supplies on the food front etc, and perhaps something like the eden project combined could somehow become a contained area capable of supporting a few inhabitants.
On mars or the moon, if we were to ship the correct parts/pieces/seeds whatever at the start, could life out there exist indefinitely without further interferrence or supplies? Are there the raw materials and nutrients, and importantly, is there enough sun on mars to get stuff growing?
Just a thought.
Eric Mc said:
dirty boy said:
Slightly OT, but could we (humans/mankind) build a base on the moon or mars that could become entirely self sufficient in any way whatsoever?
I have something in my mind along the lines that, the spacestation is incredibly self sufficient to a degree, but requires supplies on the food front etc, and perhaps something like the eden project combined could somehow become a contained area capable of supporting a few inhabitants.
On mars or the moon, if we were to ship the correct parts/pieces/seeds whatever at the start, could life out there exist indefinitely without further interferrence or supplies? Are there the raw materials and nutrients, and importantly, is there enough sun on mars to get stuff growing?
Just a thought.
Mars definitely. Plenty of water, plenty of oxygen. It's an entire planet - after all.I have something in my mind along the lines that, the spacestation is incredibly self sufficient to a degree, but requires supplies on the food front etc, and perhaps something like the eden project combined could somehow become a contained area capable of supporting a few inhabitants.
On mars or the moon, if we were to ship the correct parts/pieces/seeds whatever at the start, could life out there exist indefinitely without further interferrence or supplies? Are there the raw materials and nutrients, and importantly, is there enough sun on mars to get stuff growing?
Just a thought.
Eric Mc said:
Mars definitely. Plenty of water, plenty of oxygen. It's an entire planet - after all.
Plenty of oxygen from the water presumably? I guess we're probably capable of getting some sort of reactor there too to do all the donkey work?It's interesting though, I think preservation of the human race may rely on some sort of biological tinkering on our DNA, making us more adaptable to inhospitable places, and the need to move away from a fixed home (Earth) which could quite easily be hit by some large pebble from space.
All our eggs are at the moment - in one basket as it were.
I think technological advancements are moving sufficiently that it's not such a pipe dream, more a cost issue.
dirty boy said:
Eric Mc said:
Mars definitely. Plenty of water, plenty of oxygen. It's an entire planet - after all.
Plenty of oxygen from the water presumably? I guess we're probably capable of getting some sort of reactor there too to do all the donkey work?It's interesting though, I think preservation of the human race may rely on some sort of biological tinkering on our DNA, making us more adaptable to inhospitable places, and the need to move away from a fixed home (Earth) which could quite easily be hit by some large pebble from space.
All our eggs are at the moment - in one basket as it were.
I think technological advancements are moving sufficiently that it's not such a pipe dream, more a cost issue.
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