Honour killings
Discussion
caraddict said:
I agree 100%. Your kids, no matter where you move, will inherit values from your new society, it's impossible to avoid.
Good to hear that they got what they deserved, pisses me off.
How about British kids brought up in Pakistan? Do they ever kill their "Westernized" parents? Good to hear that they got what they deserved, pisses me off.
What is it about the older generation from a few of these Eastern countries. Is it religion? Sikhs, Hindus seem to indulge in this nonsense too, to a lesser extent. Is it culture? Not everyone from there behaves like this. What is it? How do we stamp it out? Bombard them with porn and lingerie ads until their daughter in short sleeves is no longer considered shameful?
Comments from the judge pre-sentencing are appropriate, I think -
[b]'What was it that brought you two, her parents, the people who had given her life, to the point of killing her?'
'You chose to bring up your family in Warrington but although you lived in Warrington your social and cultural attitudes were those of rural Pakistan and it was those which you imposed upon your children.
'Shafilea was a determined, able and ambitious girl who wanted to live a life which was normal in the country and in the town in which you had chosen to live and bring up your children.
'However, you could not tolerate the life that Shafilea wanted to live.
'You wanted your family to live in Pakistan in Warrington.
'Although she went to local schools, you objected to her socialising with girls from what has been referred to as the white community.
'You objected to her wearing western clothes and you objected to her having contact with boys.
'She was being squeezed between two cultures, the culture and way of life that she saw around her and wanted to embrace, and the culture and way of life you wanted to impose on her.'
'A desire that she understood and appreciated the cultural heritage from which she came is perfectly understandable, but an expectation that she live in a sealed cultural environment separate from the culture of the country in which she lived was unrealistic, destructive and cruel.
'The conflict between you and her increased in the last year of her life and you tried to impose your cultural values and attitudes on her by intimidation, bullying and a use of physical violence.
'She tried to escape and she was determined to do so because she knew what lay in store for her at your hands - being taken to Pakistan to be 'sorted out', i.e. having her Westernised ideas removed - and to be married off.'
Of the night of the murder...
'On the evening of 11th September 2003 you berated her for her behaviour and in temper and frustration you two suffocated her. It was you, Farzana Ahmed, who said to your husband: 'Finish it here'.
'While I accept that there was no pre-existing plan to kill Shafilea that night, that remark, together with the evidence relating to whether or not Shafilea survived the drinking of bleach, drives me to the conclusion that you two had previously discussed the way that you might ultimately resolve the problem which Shafilea presented for you.
'Your problem was that in what you referred to as your 'community', Shafilea's conduct was bringing shame upon you and your concern about being shamed in your community was greater than your love of your child.
'In order to rid yourselves of that problem, you killed Shafilea by suffocating her in the presence of your other four children.
'You killed one daughter, but you have blighted the lives of your remaining children.
'Alesha escaped but she is unlikely to be able to avoid the legacy of her upbringing.'[/b]
If ever there was a reason for the death penalty to be re-introduced, it is this. If parents are capable of murdering their own child over a perceived slight on their mountain village version of 'family honour' then they are not fit to live in this world.
f
king stone age scum.
But, Tony said it was to the benefit of GB if we embraced 'multiculturalism'
And now we see the results of this st, this and the paedos in Rochdale/Oldham etc.
[b]'What was it that brought you two, her parents, the people who had given her life, to the point of killing her?'
'You chose to bring up your family in Warrington but although you lived in Warrington your social and cultural attitudes were those of rural Pakistan and it was those which you imposed upon your children.
'Shafilea was a determined, able and ambitious girl who wanted to live a life which was normal in the country and in the town in which you had chosen to live and bring up your children.
'However, you could not tolerate the life that Shafilea wanted to live.
'You wanted your family to live in Pakistan in Warrington.
'Although she went to local schools, you objected to her socialising with girls from what has been referred to as the white community.
'You objected to her wearing western clothes and you objected to her having contact with boys.
'She was being squeezed between two cultures, the culture and way of life that she saw around her and wanted to embrace, and the culture and way of life you wanted to impose on her.'
'A desire that she understood and appreciated the cultural heritage from which she came is perfectly understandable, but an expectation that she live in a sealed cultural environment separate from the culture of the country in which she lived was unrealistic, destructive and cruel.
'The conflict between you and her increased in the last year of her life and you tried to impose your cultural values and attitudes on her by intimidation, bullying and a use of physical violence.
'She tried to escape and she was determined to do so because she knew what lay in store for her at your hands - being taken to Pakistan to be 'sorted out', i.e. having her Westernised ideas removed - and to be married off.'
Of the night of the murder...
'On the evening of 11th September 2003 you berated her for her behaviour and in temper and frustration you two suffocated her. It was you, Farzana Ahmed, who said to your husband: 'Finish it here'.
'While I accept that there was no pre-existing plan to kill Shafilea that night, that remark, together with the evidence relating to whether or not Shafilea survived the drinking of bleach, drives me to the conclusion that you two had previously discussed the way that you might ultimately resolve the problem which Shafilea presented for you.
'Your problem was that in what you referred to as your 'community', Shafilea's conduct was bringing shame upon you and your concern about being shamed in your community was greater than your love of your child.
'In order to rid yourselves of that problem, you killed Shafilea by suffocating her in the presence of your other four children.
'You killed one daughter, but you have blighted the lives of your remaining children.
'Alesha escaped but she is unlikely to be able to avoid the legacy of her upbringing.'[/b]
If ever there was a reason for the death penalty to be re-introduced, it is this. If parents are capable of murdering their own child over a perceived slight on their mountain village version of 'family honour' then they are not fit to live in this world.
f
king stone age scum.But, Tony said it was to the benefit of GB if we embraced 'multiculturalism'
And now we see the results of this s
t, this and the paedos in Rochdale/Oldham etc.eldar said:
just me said:
What money?
Arranged marriages are about class and money.edit for poor memory 1/3rd from 3% of births
Edited by Pesty on Saturday 4th August 00:05
Countdown said:
Pesty said:
And producing 2/3rds of all deformed babies in the UK despite being a tiny minority of the child bearing populations.
Any links?Although British Pakistanis account for three per cent of the births in this country, they are responsible for 33 per cent of the 15 to 20,000 children born each year with genetic defects.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1259401/Ba...
Edited by Pesty on Saturday 4th August 00:06
such a tragedy.
if they didnt agree to her lifestyle why not just let her go?
there's been a few similar incidents but in each case the parents who havent agreed have said fine go how you want to live but dont bother coming back.
am i right in thinking they chopped her up? or am i confusing this with something else?
if they didnt agree to her lifestyle why not just let her go?
there's been a few similar incidents but in each case the parents who havent agreed have said fine go how you want to live but dont bother coming back.
am i right in thinking they chopped her up? or am i confusing this with something else?
Pesty said:
Edits my memory failed my appologies.
Although British Pakistanis account for three per cent of the births in this country, they are responsible for 33 per cent of the 15 to 20,000 children born each year with genetic defects.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1259401/Ba...
Incestuous stone age Although British Pakistanis account for three per cent of the births in this country, they are responsible for 33 per cent of the 15 to 20,000 children born each year with genetic defects.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1259401/Ba...
s As a nation, we are proud of being tolerant but, historically, that only went so far. We used to know how to deal with situations when other cultures' values clashed with ours. For example, Suttee - the Hindu practice of burning a widow with her husand's body - was once defended on the grounds of it being a people's custom, or as we would now say, their 'culture':
General Sir Charles Napier said:
"Be it so. This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them, and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to national customs."
What was so wrong with that?smegmore said:
Pesty said:
Edits my memory failed my appologies.
Although British Pakistanis account for three per cent of the births in this country, they are responsible for 33 per cent of the 15 to 20,000 children born each year with genetic defects.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1259401/Ba...
Incestuous stone age Although British Pakistanis account for three per cent of the births in this country, they are responsible for 33 per cent of the 15 to 20,000 children born each year with genetic defects.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1259401/Ba...
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