Archbishop of Canterbury playing politics AGAIN
Discussion
WhoseGeneration said:
rohrl said:
Try posting the position held by the UN IPCC (so not exactly a minority loony position) on the climate change thread and see what happens.
Ah, the current "religion", or so it appears to me, in that tithing is fundamental to the belief system.If I have enough to be able to pay, I am forgiven, sorta indulgence of my behaviour?
Beyond your analogy we ought to retire to one of the climate threads but for now...
More like Gore than the Archbishop but it'll do.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9357733/C...
Quite funny in the last para of the article he comments about balls into holes..
Quite funny in the last para of the article he comments about balls into holes..
andygo said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9357733/C...
Quite funny in the last para of the article he comments about balls into holes..
...and there was me hoping the article was about putting Ed Balls into a 6ft deep hole (GCHQ, it's a joke).Quite funny in the last para of the article he comments about balls into holes..
Derek Smith said:
Do you feel I've insulted you? Or anyone? I did not mean to. However, I don't think anyone can hope to go through life without being insulted if they want to hear what other people think.
Someone having a religious belief is not an insult to me. However, on a discussion about religion it is pointless not saying things you believe just so as not to make someone feel insulted.
I've studied religion, and quite closely. I think everyone should in the same way I think everyone should see Venice out of season. It is eye-opening. The most startling thing, at least initially, was that in discussion with the religious my knowledge of their religion was normally much greater. Tha majority of western catholics (most catholics do not appear to know that the religion was split with two popes, who disagreed but both are unchallengeable in their beliefs) who quote hail Mary and such have no idea when it was 'of faith'. Nor do they know the biblical support for it, or lack of.
One thing is that the catholic religion, like numerous others, is elitist. I am, as an unbeliever, inferior to them. Insulting? However, if I suggest I have a feeling of superiority over those who were brought up in a religion but have never challenged their beliefs then this can be considered an offence if I verbalise it.
I do not think that I should be silent on my unbelief. Churches are not on their belief. They ring bells to broadcast it. I don't take this as an affront so why should they take my bewilderment of their faith as an insult?
I hope Jesus lived and it is not all made up because he sounds like a real cool guy. I don't believe he was/is the son of a god - at least any more than anyone else - and I don't think he did either otherwise he'd have mentioned it. I don't think it is wrong to point out that Jesus was Jewish and his intent would appear to have been to modify the Jewish religion slightly and had no intent to create a new one. I also know everything he said about homosexuals, but then so does everyone who has never studied the bible.
I also know the origins of the christian religion. A considerable number of its myths were taken from other religions, some of which were far eastern, which predated it by many years, centuries in some cases, including most of those that are the basis of the christianity. I also know of the first council of Nicea. Having read up on such things, is it wrong, or even just insulting, to point this out?
Christianity was an invention, a concoction of a pagan Roman emperor who discarded gospels if they looked like causing problems for his empire. It was an intent to head off religious problems and to unify. Which it was quite successful at. If I point this out, is it insulting to those who believe otherwise? Is it wrong to do so or should I allow disinformation?
I am irritated by the catholic religion. I don't believe most of those in charge believe in what they preach. The history of the church is one of horror. In its methods it is harming sections of the population of the world for no reason. It seems it is alright for middle classes in the USA and Europe to use condoms to limit childbirth without sanction but not for the ignorant in Africa to protect themselves from a plague. Irritated is not the word. I think anyone who supports this action, which borders of genocide, has a right not to be insulted. They should be denigrated.
I seem to remember from a previous post that this does not include you, Eric.
If you did feel insulted by anything I posted, Eric, I'm sorry you feel that way. I thought I knew a bit about you from your postings and I did not intend any slight.
I don't feel insulted by religious institutions - I just ignore them.Someone having a religious belief is not an insult to me. However, on a discussion about religion it is pointless not saying things you believe just so as not to make someone feel insulted.
I've studied religion, and quite closely. I think everyone should in the same way I think everyone should see Venice out of season. It is eye-opening. The most startling thing, at least initially, was that in discussion with the religious my knowledge of their religion was normally much greater. Tha majority of western catholics (most catholics do not appear to know that the religion was split with two popes, who disagreed but both are unchallengeable in their beliefs) who quote hail Mary and such have no idea when it was 'of faith'. Nor do they know the biblical support for it, or lack of.
One thing is that the catholic religion, like numerous others, is elitist. I am, as an unbeliever, inferior to them. Insulting? However, if I suggest I have a feeling of superiority over those who were brought up in a religion but have never challenged their beliefs then this can be considered an offence if I verbalise it.
I do not think that I should be silent on my unbelief. Churches are not on their belief. They ring bells to broadcast it. I don't take this as an affront so why should they take my bewilderment of their faith as an insult?
I hope Jesus lived and it is not all made up because he sounds like a real cool guy. I don't believe he was/is the son of a god - at least any more than anyone else - and I don't think he did either otherwise he'd have mentioned it. I don't think it is wrong to point out that Jesus was Jewish and his intent would appear to have been to modify the Jewish religion slightly and had no intent to create a new one. I also know everything he said about homosexuals, but then so does everyone who has never studied the bible.
I also know the origins of the christian religion. A considerable number of its myths were taken from other religions, some of which were far eastern, which predated it by many years, centuries in some cases, including most of those that are the basis of the christianity. I also know of the first council of Nicea. Having read up on such things, is it wrong, or even just insulting, to point this out?
Christianity was an invention, a concoction of a pagan Roman emperor who discarded gospels if they looked like causing problems for his empire. It was an intent to head off religious problems and to unify. Which it was quite successful at. If I point this out, is it insulting to those who believe otherwise? Is it wrong to do so or should I allow disinformation?
I am irritated by the catholic religion. I don't believe most of those in charge believe in what they preach. The history of the church is one of horror. In its methods it is harming sections of the population of the world for no reason. It seems it is alright for middle classes in the USA and Europe to use condoms to limit childbirth without sanction but not for the ignorant in Africa to protect themselves from a plague. Irritated is not the word. I think anyone who supports this action, which borders of genocide, has a right not to be insulted. They should be denigrated.
I seem to remember from a previous post that this does not include you, Eric.
If you did feel insulted by anything I posted, Eric, I'm sorry you feel that way. I thought I knew a bit about you from your postings and I did not intend any slight.
I do try to separate personal beliefs in faith from the established institutional religions - which I have little time for - for much the same reasons as you.
And no, I wasn't feeling personally insulted by what you said, so no worries there.
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