What's Italian for 'kipper? Anti-migrant stunt goes awry.
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Re "Oh goodie, they are scared of Nige" (whoever "they" are supposed to be). It might just be that those who think that Farage is ludicrous think that he's ludicrous. NPE is not PH, and PH is not the World, so what passes for consensus opinion in here doesn't often reflect reality. Farage has a populist appeal to the gullible, the ill informed, and the angry who are easily taken in by alarmism and plain lying, and seduced by a nostalgic vision of a Britain that never existed in reality, but he is no mould breaker. Of course UKIP will do very well in the Euro elections, surfing on a tide of public antipathy to politics in general and the EU in particular, and there is much about the EU to deplore. General election 2015: UKIP will struggle to get a single MP. I reckon somewhere between zero and three but I would be inclined to bet closer to the zero end than the three end.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 8th April 14:56
Guam said:
Well if they are against profligacy like this that will do for me
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2599478/Po...
Well, aren't we all.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2599478/Po...
However, I'm also against a massive increase in military spending, a massive increase in spending on prisons and . . . well, you no doubt get the picture.
I like all this "OMG they're calling us racists OMG!!!!" stuff, as, so far as I can see, no one has suggested racism above. Are some of these upstanding 1950s fair play patriots a tad over sensitive about something, I wonder?
To be fair, however, it must be tough being Nige. Bloke says gays cause bad weather, Nige has to say "not really UKIP". Bloke says Bongo Bongo Land, Nige has to say "not really UKIP". Bloke says he agrees with the EDL, Nige has to say "not really UKIP". Such a pity that all the real, sensible, not in any way fruitloopy or hatey UKIP types keep getting confused by the unfair minded media* and the pinko Commie establishment with all that other lot, who, of course "aren't really UKIP".
* poor old UKIP, even the Mail slags them off.
To be fair, however, it must be tough being Nige. Bloke says gays cause bad weather, Nige has to say "not really UKIP". Bloke says Bongo Bongo Land, Nige has to say "not really UKIP". Bloke says he agrees with the EDL, Nige has to say "not really UKIP". Such a pity that all the real, sensible, not in any way fruitloopy or hatey UKIP types keep getting confused by the unfair minded media* and the pinko Commie establishment with all that other lot, who, of course "aren't really UKIP".
* poor old UKIP, even the Mail slags them off.
Breadvan72 said:
I like all this "OMG they're calling us racists OMG!!!!" stuff, as, so far as I can see, no one has suggested racism above. Are some of these upstanding 1950s fair play patriots a tad over sensitive about something, I wonder?
To be fair, however, it must be tough being Nige. Bloke says gays cause bad weather, Nige has to say "not really UKIP". Bloke says Bongo Bongo Land, Nige has to say "not really UKIP". Bloke says he agrees with the EDL, Nige has to say "not really UKIP". Such a pity that all the real, sensible, not in any way fruitloopy or hatey UKIP types keep getting confused by the unfair minded media* and the pinko Commie establishment with all that other lot, who, of course "aren't really UKIP".
* poor old UKIP, even the Mail slags them off.
But, but, Labour think all women are bigots if we use your analogy.To be fair, however, it must be tough being Nige. Bloke says gays cause bad weather, Nige has to say "not really UKIP". Bloke says Bongo Bongo Land, Nige has to say "not really UKIP". Bloke says he agrees with the EDL, Nige has to say "not really UKIP". Such a pity that all the real, sensible, not in any way fruitloopy or hatey UKIP types keep getting confused by the unfair minded media* and the pinko Commie establishment with all that other lot, who, of course "aren't really UKIP".
* poor old UKIP, even the Mail slags them off.
Look, Winky Mc f
kwit said it so it must be party policy.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8649012.stm
Guam said:
I think with recent acts in the world I would go with the Generals on military spending right now, as for increased spending on prisons, well the alternative strategy of the last couple of decades doesn't seem to be performing too well so what else should be done?
There are many options, a considerable number of which are sensible. We are, I think, second to the USA on the number of our subjects we lock up. This tends to suggest that others may have got it right.This is not the thread for penal reform, but it is the one to say that popularist promises, which they know will not be fulfilled, are perhaps not the way to get me to consider the UKIP as a viable alternative to sensible parties.
As for the military, I think the government has got it right with the reductions. From my reading, all our adventures into Afghanistan, et al, have done is to heighten the threat level. The lives of our young people wasted. While we, quite rightly, wring our hands at the death of a 25-year-old socialite and say how much we feel for her parents and loved ones, we see the same thing happening to those who believe they are doing something useful for their country, although in foreign lands that we should leave well enough alone.
Why on earth do we need a 40% bigger army?
But there are many other promises from the UKIP that are costly yet uncosted.
Breadvan72 said:
Re "Oh goodie, they are scared of Nige" (whoever "they" are supposed to be). It might just be that those who think that Farage is ludicrous think that he's ludicrous. NPE is not PH, and PH is not the World, so what passes for consensus opinion in here doesn't often reflect reality. Farage has a populist appeal to the gullible, the ill informed, and the angry who are easily taken in by alarmism and plain lying, and seduced by a nostalgic vision of a Britain that never existed in reality, but he is no mould breaker. Of course UKIP will do very well in the Euro elections, surfing on a tide of public antipathy to politics in general and the EU in particular, and there is much about the EU to deplore. General election 2015: UKIP will struggle to get a single MP. I reckon somewhere between zero and three but I would be inclined to bet closer to the zero end than the three end.
Semper idem ????? Edited by Breadvan72 on Tuesday 8th April 14:56
Breadvan72 said:
General election 2015: UKIP will struggle to get a single MP. I reckon somewhere between zero and three but I would be inclined to bet closer to the zero end than the three end.
Barring an incumbent Tory being caught in an intimate encounter with a gerbil just before the election, UKIP arn't going to win a single seat. Even then, the former is considerably more likely than the later. IMO that's a shame, especially for the gerbil but also because they will probably have close to 2 million votes who will remain largely unrepresented. WinstonWolf said:
FredClogs said:
WinstonWolf said:
I've experienced racism and I still agree.
Our current open door policy with Europe discriminates against people from every other continent.
We agree on something, we should have a fully open door policy.Our current open door policy with Europe discriminates against people from every other continent.
What would most benefit the UK is if we could become the worlds first nation to truly free from the 19th century shackles of hegemonic illusion and open ourselves to be the worlds first truly free trade and transitory country where people could come and go as they wished and so could there money and investments - not just the wealthy. We led the world once before to abolish slavery and to create technology and to set nations free from colonial rule - we can lead the world again.
fblm said:
Barring an incumbent Tory being caught in an intimate encounter with a gerbil just before the election, UKIP arn't going to win a single seat. Even then, the former is considerably more likely than the later. IMO that's a shame, especially for the gerbil but also because they will probably have close to 2 million votes who will remain largely unrepresented.
I suggest that you might re-read Edmund Burke's Address to the Electors of Bristol. The two million, or whatever number it may be, won't be unrepresented. FredClogs said:
WinstonWolf said:
FredClogs said:
WinstonWolf said:
I've experienced racism and I still agree.
Our current open door policy with Europe discriminates against people from every other continent.
We agree on something, we should have a fully open door policy.Our current open door policy with Europe discriminates against people from every other continent.
What would most benefit the UK is if we could become the worlds first nation to truly free from the 19th century shackles of hegemonic illusion and open ourselves to be the worlds first truly free trade and transitory country where people could come and go as they wished and so could there money and investments - not just the wealthy. We led the world once before to abolish slavery and to create technology and to set nations free from colonial rule - we can lead the world again.
Then again I'm not a Little Europer, I can see the bigger picture.
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