Rolf Harris - trial starts today

[mybrainhurts]

This trial must be expensive.

Transport him to Australia and let him have his evil way with hot sheep.

Never did trust him, always felt he was a bit pervy.

[Derek Smith]

I know we are only made aware of a very small part of the case, and papers have a 'side' to represent, but this doesn't seem to be the strongest defence we've seen in such cases.

[mybrainhurts]

Derek Smith said:

I know we are only made aware of a very small part of the case, and papers have a 'side' to represent, but this doesn't seem to be the strongest defence we've seen in such cases.

No, "Jake the Peg" was an unfortunate choice of titles...

[Derek Smith]

mybrainhurts said:

Derek Smith said:

I know we are only made aware of a very small part of the case, and papers have a 'side' to represent, but this doesn't seem to be the strongest defence we've seen in such cases.

No, "Jake the Peg" was an unfortunate choice of titles...

You think he should have gone with 'Two little boys'?

[Derek Smith]

I thought I remembered (reading) that RH sang TLB at the jubilee celebrations so looked it up on Wiki. There, I found, that the sainted Thatcher picked it as one of her favourite songs during an interview on the BBC. Daft old bat.

[Halb]

I love Two Little Boys, it is a brilliant song.

[Welshbeef]

Seems for RH this case isn't going well

[mybrainhurts]

Derek Smith said:

I thought I remembered (reading) that RH sang TLB at the jubilee celebrations so looked it up on Wiki. There, I found, that the sainted Thatcher picked it as one of her favourite songs during an interview on the BBC. Daft old bat.

You're talking about one of our greatest leaders, please arrest yourself...

[mybrainhurts]

Derek Smith said:

mybrainhurts said:

Derek Smith said:

I know we are only made aware of a very small part of the case, and papers have a 'side' to represent, but this doesn't seem to be the strongest defence we've seen in such cases.

No, "Jake the Peg" was an unfortunate choice of titles...

You think he should have gone with 'Two little boys'?

Don't know, but this might have been a few more degrees unwise...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0rlYSJQkyw&fe...

Sound NSFW and more that a touch disturbing..

[joe_90]

italianjob1275 said:

Rolf's been in court describing his early career, auditions at the beeb, describing the didgeridoo, a spot of singing etc.

Can anyone tell me the point of this? Is it in anyway relevant?

Because he is in panic mode, and that is all he know about to talk himself out of anything, or get people on his side (his trump card). It would be interest to understand it really from a physiological point of view.

I can see him when/if found guilty breaking down and on his knees crying while singing two little boys attempting to sway the judge in a last ditch feeble attempt.. Its going to pathetic at the end, that is for sure.

[Derek Smith]

joe_90 said:

italianjob1275 said:

Rolf's been in court describing his early career, auditions at the beeb, describing the didgeridoo, a spot of singing etc.

Can anyone tell me the point of this? Is it in anyway relevant?

Because he is in panic mode, and that is all he know about to talk himself out of anything, or get people on his side (his trump card). It would be interest to understand it really from a physiological point of view.

I can see him when/if found guilty breaking down and on his knees crying while singing two little boys attempting to sway the judge in a last ditch feeble attempt.. Its going to pathetic at the end, that is for sure.

I know nothing more than anyone else does of course, my information coming from news media. However, te impression I get is that he is putting forward the defence of being misunderstood. It's reasonable I suppose but for it work he needs the sympathy of the jury, most of whom would have seen his antics on TV. So he's taking a trip down memory lane, exciting their childhood illusions of him. Not sure it will work against his daughter's evidence though.

he and his defence team would have seen all the evidence the prosecution has so will tune the defence to combat the 'strong' parts, i.e. the evidence. One tactic might have been to see the strength of the prosecution witnesses and, if they were convincing, then cop a plea before giving any defence evidence.

My experience is that juries are reluctant to convict on multiple charges unless the evidence is overwhelming (and then not always). Here we have multiple cases but what the defence might be trying for is for the jury to convict on one or two and then, sympathy for the devil sort of thing, find him NG of the rest.

[Foppo]

The case is going to be 50/50.Sexual assault maybe don't know if he raped any of the girls.Strange fellow this Rolf weird and strange.

[BJG1]

greygoose said:

Some girls might have the confidence to tell a celeb to get lost, some may be overawed, some may be shy and inexperienced and not realise what was going on, some may be embarrassed and think it was their fault. People are different and how they react will vary as a result.

I dunno about this - if a celebrity comes on to a woman of legal age and she lets him have sexual relations with her that should be the end of it. She may be shy, inexperienced and overawed and afterwards she might feel regret but that shouldn't mean that it is illegal.

[XCP]

I am amazed at the support from his wife and daughter. I doubt very much mine would be so understanding in the circumstances.

[Halb]

Derek Smith said:

I know nothing more than anyone else does of course, my information coming from news media. However, te impression I get is that he is putting forward the defence of being misunderstood. It's reasonable I suppose but for it work he needs the sympathy of the jury, most of whom would have seen his antics on TV. So he's taking a trip down memory lane, exciting their childhood illusions of him. Not sure it will work against his daughter's evidence though.

He has more than one daughter? It's not the one who escorts him to the courtroom everyday?

[Ozzie Osmond]

Derek Smith said:

he is putting forward the defence of being misunderstood.

Known these days as "the DLT escape".

Unfortunately Mr DLT finds himself back in court to face further charges.

[Zoon]

Ozzie Osmond said:

Known these days as "the DLT escape".

Unfortunately Mr DLT finds himself back in court to face further charges.

He's got away with 12 counts and back in for 1 charge which the jury couldn't decide on.
I'd say the odds are in DLT's favour.

I cannot say the same for Rolf, wonder if he'll buy a stairway to heaven should he be found guilty.

[P-Jay]

Welshbeef said:

Seems for RH this case isn't going well

Oh I don't know.

As far as I can tell the case was 3 main charges - sexual assault of two girls in the 70's he didn't know and sexual assault of his daughters friend about the same time.

The 2 unknown women have had their story pretty convulsively debunked. Not only can't the prosecution prove beyond doubt he did it, they can't prove he was even in the area at the time. Whereas the defence can pretty much prove he was thousands of miles away - only the women's vague account of the timings is all that it stopped the charges being thrown out of court I would guess.

In regards to the friend - she say he did, he says he didn't, there's no tangible evidence he did anything illegal, but circumstantial evidence he didn't, namely that despite this alleged abuse she continued to put herself in situations where they could find themselves alone, when it would have been easy to keep her distance. She willingly started a consensual relationship when she was 18 - there's no claims of rape here and only claimed abuse 24 years after it was meant to take place - and 20 after their consensual relationship.

This latest 'smoking gun' is that RH's daughter was upset, when her best friend of 30 years or so, who she trusted told her that her Dad abused her - of course she was upset, but it still only hinges on one persons word against another.

If this is the only evidence I can't see how any jury would convict beyond doubt and whilst the 2 unknown women's story shouldn't affect their decision on the daughter's friend's story - it's bound too, after all they can't prove he's a sexual predator with a taste for teenage girls.

[V8covin]

Is it wrong of me to say I'd do his daughter Bindi

[mybrainhurts]

Zoon said:

Ozzie Osmond said:

Known these days as "the DLT escape".

Unfortunately Mr DLT finds himself back in court to face further charges.

He's got away with 12 counts and back in for 1 charge which the jury couldn't decide on.
I'd say the odds are in DLT's favour.

I cannot say the same for Rolf, wonder if he'll buy a stairway to heaven should he be found guilty.

He won't do well in jail. Tie me kangaroo down in the showers and all that....