Christian Bakery vs Queerspace

[Eric Mc]

Gandahar said:

Might be ok toasted ?

It might be toasted already - especially if it came from the Naples area..

[Bill]

Eric Mc said:

What I do find on PH is that generally, left wing views are not that popular here - unless the normally upheld right wing view of life emanates from a religious source.

That's nonsense. What has happened is that society as a whole has come round to the idea that we shouldn't discriminate against someone because of who they are.

[Eric Mc]

I'm not talking about society. I'm talking about PH.

[Grumfutock]

Bill said:

That's nonsense. What has happened is that society as a whole has come round to the idea that we shouldn't discriminate against someone because of who they are.

Does that apply to the gingers? I bloody hope not!

[xjsdriver]

Some Gump said:

A bunch of bellends making a point by creating an issue with another bunch of bellends.

I have no real opinion on what people do in the bedroom. Likewise, I have no real opinion on how you choose to run your life belief wise - both are your business and I'll let you get on with it.

However, I know I'd not go to a Jewish butcher and demand port. This is because I'm not an ahole trying to make a flap about something for no reason.

IMO, nearly all activists should be filed in a skip marked "wker" alongside any cyclist that wears a helmet cam in the hope of starting some sort of slanging match on youtube. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that if you go looking for an arguement, you'll find one.

I wouldn't go into any butcher's shop (Jewish, or otherwise) and demand port...... just as I wouldn't go into an off licence and demand sausages.......... Oh you meant pork?....how simply of me

[JB!]

Bill said:

That makes as much sense as visiting a Jewish butcher and demanding port, ie something they don't sell. This is a bakery selling cakes.

But they AREN'T in the business of selling cakes with slogans/designs they take moral objection to.

[Bill]

Aren't they? They've apparently refused to do some with swearing on, which isn't illegal.

[Corpulent Tosser]

Guam said:

Interesting discussion, according to the radio earlier the cake had support Gay marriage on it, so it appears it was primarily a political statement rather than a pure wedding cake, how does that affect the views on here?

From my own viewpoint makes no difference, they were asked to make something, they didn't want to make it so declined and gave the customer a refund

Guam said:

Is a business allowed to decline to show support for a political position. Would refusing to bake a cake saying "Vote XYZ party" on principle be discriminatory?

Possibly but perfectly acceptable in my opinion, once again it comes down to does the vendor want to sell what is being asked for, if they don't want to then they dont sell it

Guam said:

If the text had been removed would they have baked the cake then?

I suspect it wouldn't have been a problem, they didn't refuse to serve a gay person, they refused to supply goods that they didn't want to make.

[Chainguy]

The love that dare not speak its name?

The love that can't keep its bloody gob shut these days more like.

Can't the queers (their chosen nomenclature, not mine) bake their own cakes anyway? I guess it's just as well we're not throwing stereotypes about like queers and attention seeking behaviour. Because that doesn't apply here at all. No Sir.

Oh, wait...

[Corpulent Tosser]

Chainguy said:

The love that dare not speak its name?

The love that can't keep its bloody gob shut these days more like.

Can't the queers (their chosen nomenclature, not mine) bake their own cakes anyway? I guess it's just as well we're not throwing stereotypes about like queers and attention seeking behaviour. Because that doesn't apply here at all. No Sir.

Oh, wait...

DOn't hold back, say it how you see it

[Prawnboy]

Guam said:

Interesting discussion, according to the radio earlier the cake had support Gay marriage on it, so it appears it was primarily a political statement rather than a pure wedding cake, how does that affect the views on here?

Is a business allowed to decline to show support for a political position. Would refusing to bake a cake saying "Vote XYZ party" on principle be discriminatory?

If the text had been removed would they have baked the cake then?

Interesting point, I guess it would come down to the actual law on the situation.

in this case there are laws against discrimination.

just as ,i guess, if a Christian wanted an easter cake with a crucifiction on it from 'Dawkins bakery' & was refused it would be covered with religious freedom laws?

There must be some law that covers freedom to air your pollitical views also.

PH is a bit like a massive motoring section in the daily mail. so the political views on the cake will not be well recieved.
what if a female muslim tory baker wouldn't make a UKIP union flag cake to celebrate Rolf harris release from jail. would PH implode.

i think it s safe to say that the bakery refused to provide goods & services in contradiction with the law of the land.

most of my family come from NI and i am over there all the time, & attitudes can be like the 50's.

[gpo746]

Prawnboy said:

Interesting point, I guess it would come down to the actual law on the situation.

in this case there are laws against discrimination.

just as ,i guess, if a Christian wanted an easter cake with a crucifiction on it from 'Dawkins bakery' & was refused it would be covered with religious freedom laws?

There must be some law that covers freedom to air your pollitical views also.

PH is a bit like a massive motoring section in the daily mail. so the political views on the cake will not be well recieved.
what if a female muslim tory baker wouldn't make a UKIP union flag cake to celebrate Rolf harris release from jail. would PH implode.

i think it s safe to say that the bakery refused to provide goods & services in contradiction with the law of the land.

most of my family come from NI and i am over there all the time, & attitudes can be like the 50's.

So does the dogs name get a big cheer when they watch the Dambusters then ?

[Prawnboy]

gpo746 said:

So does the dogs name get a big cheer when they watch the Dambusters then ?

no, it's like the 50's. not like they're 15.

[gpo746]

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Can only be a matter of time before threads like the one above are outlawed.

[Bill]

Guam said:

Interesting discussion, according to the radio earlier the cake had support Gay marriage on it, so it appears it was primarily a political statement rather than a pure wedding cake, how does that affect the views on here?

Is a business allowed to decline to show support for a political position. Would refusing to bake a cake saying "Vote XYZ party" on principle be discriminatory?

If the text had been removed would they have baked the cake then?

It is ridiculous, and a storm in a teacup, but while refusal to bake a Tory cake is just daft, refusal to bake a gay cake is also discrimination.

[Chainguy]

Corpulent Tosser said:

Chainguy said:

The love that dare not speak its name?

The love that can't keep its bloody gob shut these days more like.

Can't the queers (their chosen nomenclature, not mine) bake their own cakes anyway? I guess it's just as well we're not throwing stereotypes about like queers and attention seeking behaviour. Because that doesn't apply here at all. No Sir.

Oh, wait...

DOn't hold back, say it how you see it

Thank you. I have several gay friends, and a gay nephew. They are all mortified by 'campaigns' like this. In this day and age it does more harm than good for the majority.

Let's face it, being gay is simply another part of societies fabric. It's an accepted fact that doesn't raise an eyebrow in 2014. All any of them want to do is get on, build a life and a career. You know, just like everyone else really.

Screaming activism like this however simply plays and supports stereotypes across the board. It's oudated, selfish and cconfrontational where it simply needn't be.

[Corpulent Tosser]

Prawnboy said:

i think it s safe to say that the bakery refused to provide goods & services in contradiction with the law of the land.

I'm not at all sure it is safe to say that. They didn't refuse to serve the person, they refused to make a product, I am sure if he had wanted to buy a nice cream bun they would have sold him one, regardless of his sexuality.

[Corpulent Tosser]

Chainguy said:

Thank you. I have several gay friends, and a gay nephew.

Oddly enough, I too have a couple of gay friends and a gay nephew, you are not my brother are you ?

[Chainguy]

Corpulent Tosser said:

Chainguy said:

Thank you. I have several gay friends, and a gay nephew.

Oddly enough, I too have a couple of gay friends and a gay nephew, you are not my brother are you ?

Going by the amount of half siblings I've found out I have over the last few years, I discount no possibilities at all

[KareemK]

mondeoman said:

What happens when a Muslim refuses to serve alcohol because its against their religion?

They get removed from thier serving position don't they? I mean it's not like they're running pubs but refusing to serve alcohol.