American Presidential candidates GoP/Dems

[Halb]

Just seen the US election on the news.
Hils....never been keen on her, but I like her idea of whizzing about with just two peeps and her security details, avoiding the media bus bonanza that normally follows this things.

[greygoose]

Halb said:

Just seen the US election on the news.
Hils....never been keen on her, but I like her idea of whizzing about with just two peeps and her security details, avoiding the media bus bonanza that normally follows this things.

I guess if you are married to Bill then you want to keep the number of young interns down.

[hidetheelephants]

Bluebarge said:

unrepentant said:

Rubio's in. Official whacko count is 3. Many more to come.

Saw him a few times on TV whilst on holiday in Florida in 2011. Proper fruitcake.

Hope the Republicans have someone semi-sane up their sleeve.

Jeb Bush is about as sane as the GoP gets, doubtless he too will be obliged to utter witless nonsense in order to woo the mouthbreather vote at the primaries.

[RDMcG]

SNL skit on the Hillary run...........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxRtXLme4KY

[unrepentant]

Bluebarge said:

unrepentant said:

Rubio's in. Official whacko count is 3. Many more to come.

Saw him a few times on TV whilst on holiday in Florida in 2011. Proper fruitcake.

Hope the Republicans have someone semi-sane up their sleeve.

You're barking up the wrong tree there mate! The GOP don't do sane. To be honest you have to be a whack job to vote for them so they tailor the candidates to suit. Jimbeaux will be along soon to prove my point.

[unrepentant]

Unreps latest unofficial GOP candidate odds checker.



Scott Walker 8/1 JF

Jeb Bush 8/1 JF

Chris Christie 10/1 (Labouring)

Marco Rubio 12/1

Rand Paul 16/1 (Fading)

Ted Cruz 25/1

Paul Ryan 25/1

Mike Pence 50/1 (Fading fast)

Mike Huckabee 50/1

Carly Fiorina 50/1

Bobby Jindal 50/1

Ben Carson 100/1

Rick Perry 100/1 (Fading)

Rick Santorum 100/1

Ron Paul 150/1

Mitt Romney 150/1

Sarah Palin 200/1

Michele Bachmann 200/1

Herman 999 Cain 400/1

John McCain 400/1

Donald Trump 500/1 (ROFLMFAO)


For the Presidency

Hillary Rodham Clinton 4/5

3/1 any republican

[BlackLabel]

Halb said:

unrepentant said:

The 45th president of the United States will be Hillary Rodham Clinton.

So odds at the bookies will be pretty st then?

She's already evens at the bookies to be President in 2016 which, when you consider the number of potential runners we have at this stage, is pretty poor odds from a punters pov.

https://m.oddschecker.com/t/politics/us-politics/u...

Since George Bush Senior we've had 3 US Presidents and 2 of them were pretty big underdogs when they started campaigning - Clinton wasn't expected to win his party's nomination back in the early 90s and Obama also came from behind when he fought the other democrats in 2008. So perhaps a few more surprises are on their way this time too.

I think Clinton (and Bush for that matter) will be a lot more worried about the primaries than they will the election proper should they get that far.

[RDMcG]

I believe it was Nixon who said that to get nominated, you run to the right, and to get elected you rush back to centre

[Bradgate]

Surely not even the craziest, most deluded right wing nutters in America wouldn't be stupid enough to vote for another Bush, after the last one destroyed both America's economy and its reputation around the world?

Would they?

Edited by Bradgate on Tuesday 14th April 00:05

[RDMcG]

Bradgate said:

Surely not even the craziest, most deluded right wing nutters in America wouldn't be stupid enough to vote for another Bush, after the last one destroyed both America's economy and its reputation around the world?

Would they?

Edited by Bradgate on Tuesday 14th April 00:05

There are many who think Bush is not right wing enough as it happens. I tend to think that he is one of the more moderate ones compared to the Ted Cruz level of extremity.

Cruz is not a redneck by any means despite his shenanigans, but s very distinguished Ivy league lawyer who has argued before the supreme court. Hard to imagine a guy with his abilities taking such extreme positions.

There is a lot of disaffection among many voters at Obama,but also at Congress, which has now become wholly dysfunctional. Does not really matter who has a majority, the other guys will immediately set up automatic opposition.

SO to get elected you have to promise to dismantle the Federal government ,basically.

[unrepentant]

Bradgate said:

Surely not even the craziest, most deluded right wing nutters in America wouldn't be stupid enough to vote for another Bush, after the last one destroyed both America's economy and its reputation around the world?

Jeb's more moderate than his brother, who is also considered to be a moderate by many in today's GOP. I don't think people in Europe have much comprehension as to quite how far to the right the republicans have lurched. I still think Jeb will get the nomination but he will have to adopt such extreme positions that he won't be able to walk it back in the GE.

The average GOP supporter would consider Cameron to be an utter pinko, Farage to be a soft left dilettante and Jean-Marie Le Pen to be pathetically liberal.

[Bradgate]

If the extremist far right have so completely hijacked the Republicans that the party is incapable of nominating a moderate presidential candidate, that can only benefit the Democrats.

All they have to do is nominate a sane, sensible, moderate, electable candidate eg Clinton, pitch their tent firmly on the centre ground and with demographics firmly on their side they can't lose.

Is there no-one in the Republicans who is bright enough to grasp this, or are they so blinded by ideology that they just don't care about winning?

[rohrl]

Bradgate said:

Is there no-one in the Republicans who is bright enough to grasp this, or are they so blinded by ideology that they just don't care about winning?

There are reasonable Republicans but they are apparently so scared of being denounced by the far-right loons that they daren't state the obvious, which is that to win the presidency in a two-party system you have to appeal to the centreground.

[Halb]

The loonies shout more. And Christianity has such a stranglehold that there is perceived support for disliking equality of any sort. But maybe not as much as some of the truly mental ones think.
Bit of a backlash?
http://www.salon.com/2015/04/13/indiana_governors_...

I cannot recall now, but there is a fat loathsome piece of st Governor on the east coast who dismissed an animal welfare bill (which people in his own state was in favour of) in is own state to try and curry favour with a different state. Just to attempt a hopeless election run.

[Bradgate]

rohrl said:

There are reasonable Republicans but they are apparently so scared of being denounced by the far-right loons that they daren't state the obvious, which is that to win the presidency in a two-party system you have to appeal to the centreground.

Sounds like the situation in the Labour party in the 80s. The Bennites put ideology before winning and believed in "no compromises with the electorate", which eventually split the party. Meanwhile the Tories were running the country.

[unrepentant]

Halb said:

The loonies shout more. And Christianity has such a stranglehold that there is perceived support for disliking equality of any sort. But maybe not as much as some of the truly mental ones think.
Bit of a backlash?
http://www.salon.com/2015/04/13/indiana_governors_...

I cannot recall now, but there is a fat loathsome piece of st Governor on the east coast who dismissed an animal welfare bill (which people in his own state was in favour of) in is own state to try and curry favour with a different state. Just to attempt a hopeless election run.

Christie is the lump of lard you're thinking of. He did what he thought would play well to Iowa pig farmers and screw the people of NJ who elected him.

Pence has been so damaged by the RFRA business that he's not even going to run for POTUS. The hope is that the fallout might extend to getting him out of the mansion in 2016 too. Even in Indiana he went too far for most people but the dems will need to find a strong candidate and some cash to lever his ass out of the governors chair, John Gregg won't cut it this time.

Evan Bayh is eligible again......

[anonymous-user]

Bradgate said:

Is there no-one in the Republicans who is bright enough to grasp this, or are they so blinded by ideology that they just don't care about winning?

Its really quite shocking. I worked for an investment bank 'on wall street' for 5 years and I only know one person who openly supports the republicans and despite being one of these religious types, even he had to laugh at the fruitcakes. When the party of low tax, small government and personal responsibility is largely derided by the traders and bankers of wall st, it's pretty clear you've completely lost the plot.

[scherzkeks]

Bradgate said:

Surely not even the craziest, most deluded right wing nutters in America wouldn't be stupid enough to vote for another Bush, after the last one destroyed both America's economy and its reputation around the world?

Would they?

Edited by Bradgate on Tuesday 14th April 00:05

You act as if the interests that controlled Bush don't control Obama.

[Colonial]

scherzkeks said:

You act as if the interests that controlled Bush don't control Obama.

Are they the same interests that caused 9/11?

[mikal83]

scherzkeks said:

You act as if the interests that controlled Bush don't control Obama.

Cheney controlled Bush 2, I don't think anyone pulls Obamas strings.

On the GOP front. Most rethuglicans will vote for ......GOP no matter who it is. In the UK, quite a lot of folks switch parties as they vote for the person as much as policies etc/distaste for what happened b4.