Boris Johnson - Secret Weapon OR Achilles Heel?
Discussion
vonuber said:
sidicks said:
I don't really know the detail, but it does seem a lot of money that could be better spent elsewhere.
Indeed, the vast majority pumped in by Boris, and Khan is pulling the plug on the money pit that it is, and the future liabilities to the public purse.
Eddie Strohacker said:
Considering that of the thousands of schools up & down the land, Eton has produced 19 out of 54 Prime ministers, he has a point, however class war it's written down.
It's an entirely legitimate point for debate, but you know, accusing him of being a druggy is good too.
Well that sailed right over your head, didn't it.It's an entirely legitimate point for debate, but you know, accusing him of being a druggy is good too.
Edited by iphonedyou on Friday 28th April 12:13
turbobloke said:
Dame Margaret Hodge's review criticised aspects of the Garden Bridge by saying they were driven more by electoral cycles and this remains the case.
Your point being what? The whole scheme is flawed regardless of politics, to say nothing of the rather cosy consultant appointments made at the start of the scheme which really should be investigated. Eddie Strohacker said:
If you say so.
I'm glad you've now started reading what I'm saying! Had you done that before, you'd have noted that I'd only taken issue with footnote's presumption that we all blindly accept the positive correlation between school and rule (see also; his subsequent class war nonsense) simply because we object to using the school attended as some form of insult.That is a nonsensical presumption.
It is, to me, as unacceptable (and stupid) to refer to someone as an 'Etonite jabba the hut' as it would be a 'comprehensive school attending pond dweller'.
I did read it & previously pointed out the correlation between Eton & No.10, which is real & a clear distortion in a country of 70 million souls.
However, where we agree is that lobbing in a few personals on a point takes the credibility down a bunch of notches, so Etonite Jabba the hut - yes I'm with you on that.
However, where we agree is that lobbing in a few personals on a point takes the credibility down a bunch of notches, so Etonite Jabba the hut - yes I'm with you on that.
deadslow said:
vonuber said:
to say nothing of the rather cosy consultant appointments made at the start of the scheme which really should be investigated.
Yeah, but we're all in it together, so that's fineturbobloke said:
It looks inreasingly as though this thread is being populated atm with pops at Boris as a sideline to the snap election thread. If anybody wrongly thinks that Boris is going to have any influence on the outcome in June, other than a positive one for the Tories, then their consolation is that by having a dig at him this may relieve their frustration at an imminent repeat failure of left-liberalism. As such Boris is providing a helpful service to those on the losing side of what will be four UK votes and at least one other elsewhere. Good ol' Boris!
An intrigueing PoV.So just to counter balance the negative spin you perceive will you please tell me what main achievements Boris has to his name either as Mayor and now as a minister.
I did enjoy,for a while,the entertainment value of Boris but of late it rather jars.
avinalarf said:
turbobloke said:
It looks inreasingly as though this thread is being populated atm with pops at Boris as a sideline to the snap election thread. If anybody wrongly thinks that Boris is going to have any influence on the outcome in June, other than a positive one for the Tories, then their consolation is that by having a dig at him this may relieve their frustration at an imminent repeat failure of left-liberalism. As such Boris is providing a helpful service to those on the losing side of what will be four UK votes and at least one other elsewhere. Good ol' Boris!
An intrigueing PoV.So just to counter balance the negative spin you perceive will you please tell me what main achievements Boris has to his name either as Mayor and now as a minister.
I did enjoy,for a while,the entertainment value of Boris but of late it rather jars.
Europa1 said:
I'm not sure Turbobloke was necessarily saying Boris has achieved anything notable; rather that he seems to have an appeal despite rather than because of what many people regard as his unusual vocabulary and actions.
I simply think we should praise or criticise him on the basis of what he has (or has not) done, rather than on where he went to school...(But of course I'm not bitter that he went to a 'better' school than me!)
Edited by sidicks on Friday 28th April 15:55
sidicks said:
I simply think we should praise or criticise him on the basis of what he has (or has not) done, rather than on where he went to school...
(But of course I'm not bitter that he went to a 'better' school than me!)
Oh.....so you did go to school .........(But of course I'm not bitter that he went to a 'better' school than me!)
Edited by sidicks on Friday 28th April 15:55
sidicks said:
avinalarf said:
Oh.....so you did go to school .........
Only a comprehensive!For me it's to help me engage as I normally much prefer to engage face to face.
I sometimes take a peek at their profile to help me with this but that can be misleading.
A few people share comments with me that I have a problem pigeon holing and you're one of them.
p.s. Don't take this to personally as I'm happily married.
Edited by avinalarf on Friday 28th April 16:45
avinalarf said:
It's a funny thing,don't you know ....we "speak" on this forum to strangers on PH and try to get a mental picture of who they are and what makes them tick.
For me it's to help me engage as I normally much prefer to engage face to face.
I sometimes take a peek at their profile to help me with this but that can be misleading.
A few people share comments with me that I have a problem pigeon holing and you're one of them.
p.s. Don't take this to personally as I'm happily married.
I've always said that the 'characters' are probably very different in real life and certainly it's easy to associate forum members based on one or two themes and come up with a false impression of what they are really like.For me it's to help me engage as I normally much prefer to engage face to face.
I sometimes take a peek at their profile to help me with this but that can be misleading.
A few people share comments with me that I have a problem pigeon holing and you're one of them.
p.s. Don't take this to personally as I'm happily married.
It's become harder more recently, as there seem to be a number of members who don't share a love of cars and have joined simply to discuss / push a particular agenda, rather than sharing a common interest.
Edited by sidicks on Friday 28th April 16:50
footnote said:
sidicks said:
Claims about the class system are usually made by those with chips on their shoulders, harking back to the past and making excuses for what they've not achieved.
The rest of us just get on with working hard and trying to better ourselves. You should try it!
The rest of us just get on with working hard and trying to better ourselves. You should try it!
sidicks said:
footnote said:
Do you have any statistical evidence to back that up?
Just my experience of people like you on PH. Maybe the correlation is pure coincidence (admittedly a relatively small sample size).Edited by sidicks on Thursday 27th April 21:37
Whereas on the other side of the argument... http://www.suttontrust.com/research/ And that's only the tip of the iceberg.
Edited by footnote on Friday 28th April 07:50
sidicks said:
footnote said:
So that'll be No then? No statistical evidence whatsoever?
No, just (very) limited experience, as explained above - you do understand the difference?!?
It's useful for me and other readers to have an appropriate context in which to judge the value of your contributions.
footnote said:
Yes, I understand you make sweeping generalisations based on your own very limited experience?
It's useful for me and other readers to have an appropriate context in which to judge the value of your contributions.
Just out of interest, is the chip on your shoulder about anyone that's bettter educated than you or purely Tory politicians?!It's useful for me and other readers to have an appropriate context in which to judge the value of your contributions.
Edited by sidicks on Friday 28th April 17:28
sidicks said:
avinalarf said:
It's a funny thing,don't you know ....we "speak" on this forum to strangers on PH and try to get a mental picture of who they are and what makes them tick.
For me it's to help me engage as I normally much prefer to engage face to face.
I sometimes take a peek at their profile to help me with this but that can be misleading.
A few people share comments with me that I have a problem pigeon holing and you're one of them.
p.s. Don't take this to personally as I'm happily married.
I've always said that the 'characters' are probably very different in real life and certainly it's easy to associate forum members based on one or two themes and come up with a false impression of what they are really like.For me it's to help me engage as I normally much prefer to engage face to face.
I sometimes take a peek at their profile to help me with this but that can be misleading.
A few people share comments with me that I have a problem pigeon holing and you're one of them.
p.s. Don't take this to personally as I'm happily married.
It's become harder more recently, as there seem to be a number of members who don't share a love of cars and have joined simply to discuss / push a particular agenda, rather than sharing a common interest.
Edited by sidicks on Friday 28th April 16:50
sidicks said:
avinalarf said:
It's a funny thing,don't you know ....we "speak" on this forum to strangers on PH and try to get a mental picture of who they are and what makes them tick.
For me it's to help me engage as I normally much prefer to engage face to face.
I sometimes take a peek at their profile to help me with this but that can be misleading.
A few people share comments with me that I have a problem pigeon holing and you're one of them.
p.s. Don't take this to personally as I'm happily married.
I've always said that the 'characters' are probably very different in real life and certainly it's easy to associate forum members based on one or two themes and come up with a false impression of what they are really like.For me it's to help me engage as I normally much prefer to engage face to face.
I sometimes take a peek at their profile to help me with this but that can be misleading.
A few people share comments with me that I have a problem pigeon holing and you're one of them.
p.s. Don't take this to personally as I'm happily married.
It's become harder more recently, as there seem to be a number of members who don't share a love of cars and have joined simply to discuss / push a particular agenda, rather than sharing a common interest.
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