Mandalay Bay shooting

[Eric Mc]

gadgetmac said:

Now with the personal insults, tw@t.

A touch of class is brought to the debate - well done.

[anonymous-user]

gadgetmac said:

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Meanwhile Sky News considers this more newsworthy to us Brits than 110,000 fellow Brits (friends, family etc) who are stranded abroad. It's their top storey.

The Anglocentrism Department is on the bottom storey, next to the "being inconvenienced on yer holibobs is worse than beiing gunned down by a nutter" Department

[Eric Mc]

Breadvan72 said:

The Anglocentrism Department is on the bottom storey, next to the "being inconvenienced on yer holibibs is worse than beiing gunned down by a nutter" Department

I immediately thought of this chap, and my football card collections of yore -

[BoRED S2upid]

WCZ said:

Gary29 said:

To turn 'the people' against him I'd assume.

Condolences to everyone involved in this, yet another completely messed up scenario.

how would this make people turn against trump? I don't understand unless perhaps it's 'trump drove this person to the brink of insanity with his behavior, look what trump made him do!' or something wacky and deluded like that

Because I'm guessing Trump will do nothing to stop people buying the guns capable to carry out such a mass Morden in the first place. Would Clinton have done anything about it?

[gadgetmac]

andy_s said:

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But as said earlier - gadgetmac has hung up his spade, let's move on.

Give it 5 minutes, somebody else will be along to quote my initial post.

[Disastrous]

gadgetmac said:

Disastrous said:

gadgetmac said:

Yes I do. Old aged relatives not knowing how they'll get home is FAR more important to me and others than some EVERYDAY occurence in the US.

None of my relatives are cheap enough to fly with Monarch

Now with the personal insults, tw@t.

Minor point of order: I'd suggest the 't' you placed on the end of your insult is pretty redundant as the symbol you used is produced 'at' so already has a 't' on the end. "Tw@" would seem to make more logical sense than "Tw@t", wouldn't it? You ttt.

Anyway, feels a bit distasteful to be arguing when something like this is going on (the shooting, not the Monarch thing) so maybe just leave it there?

Thoughts with those in Las Vegas...

[WCZ]

Eric Mc said:

A touch of class is brought to the debate - well done.

he has his opinion that the news of the shooting in America isn't as relevant to us in England as several thousand brits stranded abroad and there's definitely some logic there.

let him have his opinion.

[anonymous-user]

It appears that no President can do anything about the crazed gun culture of the US. Obama had a pop, but failed. Recent(ish) very bad Supreme Court decisions rather put the kibosh on gun control. Justice Scalia, in particular (now late and unlamented) performed some crazy mental gymnastics about the meaning of "militia" in the Second Amendment. The words "well regulated" that come before the word "militia" seem always to be disregarded by the Second Amendment fans.

[andy_s]

BoRED S2upid said:

WCZ said:

Gary29 said:

To turn 'the people' against him I'd assume.

Condolences to everyone involved in this, yet another completely messed up scenario.

how would this make people turn against trump? I don't understand unless perhaps it's 'trump drove this person to the brink of insanity with his behavior, look what trump made him do!' or something wacky and deluded like that

Because I'm guessing Trump will do nothing to stop people buying the guns capable to carry out such a mass Morden in the first place. Would Clinton have done anything about it?

No one has done very much, it seems to me it's a price worth paying in the American psyche and only vast cultural change will affect it.

[johnxjsc1985]

Is it possible for sane people to rationalise the actions of this man. He may have had a motive or some grievance but how do you then come to the conclusion that killing innocent people at a concert is the answer. We are a sick race and it appears we are becoming sicker.
For those who just blame the availability of Guns we have seen Cars and Vans used to commit similar acts of mass murder so people with a will to cause this kind of harm will find a way.

[anonymous-user]

WCZ said:

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let him have his opinion.

Everyone is allowed to have opinions, but others are allowed to say "your opinion is daft".

[schmunk]

Disastrous said:

gadgetmac said:

Disastrous said:

gadgetmac said:

Yes I do. Old aged relatives not knowing how they'll get home is FAR more important to me and others than some EVERYDAY occurence in the US.

None of my relatives are cheap enough to fly with Monarch

Now with the personal insults, tw@t.

Minor point of order: I'd suggest the 't' you placed on the end of your insult is pretty redundant as the symbol you used is produced 'at' so already has a 't' on the end. "Tw@" would seem to make more logical sense than "Tw@t", wouldn't it? You ttt.

Anyway, feels a bit distasteful to be arguing when something like this is going on (the shooting, not the Monarch thing) so maybe just leave it there?

Thoughts with those in Las Vegas...

gadgetmac's thoughts are with those in Las Palmas...

[rscott]

Breadvan72 said:

It appears that no President can do anything about the crazed gun culture of the US. Obama had a pop, but failed. Recent(ish) very bad Supreme Court decisions rather put the kibosh on gun control. Justice Scalia, in particular (now late and unlamented) performed some crazy mental gymnastics about the meaning of "militia" in the Second Amendment. The words "well regulated" that come before the word "militia" seem always to be disregarded by the Second Amendment fans.

Perhaps they should only be allowed access to the sort of firearms available at the time the Second Amendment was ratified?

[Eric Mc]

WCZ said:

Eric Mc said:

A touch of class is brought to the debate - well done.

he has his opinion that the news of the shooting in America isn't as relevant to us in England as several thousand brits stranded abroad and there's definitely some logic there.

let him have his opinion.

He can have as many silly opinions as he wants. Being silly is totally allowed. Being rude isn't - as far as I'm concerned.

[Burwood]

gadgetmac said:

Don't know why this is even worthy of news in the UK. How many others will die today in the US from the barrel of a gun?

Meanwhile Sky News considers this more newsworthy to us Brits than 110,000 fellow Brits (friends, family etc) who are stranded abroad. It's their top storey.

If you are referring to Monarch then they are not stranded. The Government is paying to have them all flown home if within a 14 day window. Companies go bust. You need to get a grip if you think that is really all that interesting

[gadgetmac]

Eric Mc said:

WCZ said:

Eric Mc said:

A touch of class is brought to the debate - well done.

he has his opinion that the news of the shooting in America isn't as relevant to us in England as several thousand brits stranded abroad and there's definitely some logic there.

let him have his opinion.

He can have as many silly opinions as he wants. Being silly is totally allowed. Being rude isn't - as far as I'm concerned.

Exactly.

[johnxjsc1985]

Guns are not the only weapon used to inflict mass murder these days though . Lorries ,Trucks, Cars, Bombs he could have probably caused serious casualties with a truck.
Are we at a point were we cant do anything about these events?. Just listening to the guy firing off potentially hundreds of rounds into the crowd its beyond me to understand this.

[Fittster]

johnxjsc1985 said:

Is it possible for sane people to rationalise the actions of this man. He may have had a motive or some grievance but how do you then come to the conclusion that killing innocent people at a concert is the answer. We are a sick race and it appears we are becoming sicker.
For those who just blame the availability of Guns we have seen Cars and Vans used to commit similar acts of mass murder so people with a will to cause this kind of harm will find a way.

People will find a way, but the way is much easier if you can get your hands on powerful weapons. Guns seem better a killing large numbers of people than vehicles. At Charlottesville an attack on a crowd with a car only killed one person and injured 19.

Do Americans want to do anything about it? I'd say they are happy with the balance between the freedom to own guns and the level of gun violence.

Edited by Fittster on Monday 2nd October 11:18

[anonymous-user]

rscott said:

Perhaps they should only be allowed access to the sort of firearms available at the time the Second Amendment was ratified?

That is always a fun argument to throw at strict originalists, although the usually more liberal "living instrument" approach to constitutional law, combined with what we know to be the purpose of the Second Amendment (John Locke, and all that), leads to the conclusion that the population should have access to all weapons that the Government has. OK, the population has to have such weapons within the context of a "well regulated militia", but still, hmmmmmm.

[Gandahar]

WCZ said:

Eric Mc said:

A touch of class is brought to the debate - well done.

he has his opinion that the news of the shooting in America isn't as relevant to us in England as several thousand brits stranded abroad and there's definitely some logic there.

let him have his opinion.

The initial post was before the amount known killed. Even in hindsight though the only reason it is being top news is it is slightly unusual and happening in the USA.If it had happened in Iraq it would not have got off the middle east section and nobody would have been horrified. Which is rather sad but does make you think about how reporting is not standard but based on factors being newsworthy or not.

Well worth thinking about , as also is whether the USA will do anything about it this time? That 2nd amendment, badly written 300 years back, is becoming an albatross around the neck.

Wonder what sort of home, sorry hotel, defence weapon this was?