Macron and Calais

[Amateurish]

dazwalsh said:

And they turn it down to live under tarpaulin in a forest? Mind boggles. Is it really that much more attractive here than in the likes of France or Germany?

Only a tiny proportion of refugees coming through Europe are heading for the UK.

[KrissKross]

Amateurish said:

Only a tiny proportion of refugees coming through Europe are heading for the UK.

Only a tiny proportion of the refugees are refugees..

[Shay HTFC]

dazwalsh said:

And they turn it down to live under tarpaulin in a forest? Mind boggles. Is it really that much more attractive here than in the likes of France or Germany?

Only a small proportion of migrants coming into Europe end up in (or attempting to get in) the UK.

Mainly because of language and social networks basically.

Turks head for Germany, Somalians and Iranians to Sweden amongst other places, West Africans to France and Italy, and we get some Afghans and various others.

If you have 10 contacts from your home village in Afghanistan living in a bedsit in East London then it's worth the effort getting here when they can hook you up with work and a place to stay, rather than straggling around trying to get work with a bunch of Eritreans in Sweden or wherever!

[Atomic12C]

don'tbesilly said:

I do yes, but the countries mentioned and directly impacted by the huge influx of migrants are EU members.

What point were you trying to make?

I can't pick up his point either - other than him trying to portray his semantics.

[TooMany2cvs]

Atomic12C said:

don'tbesilly said:

I do yes, but the countries mentioned and directly impacted by the huge influx of migrants are EU members.

What point were you trying to make?

I can't pick up his point either - other than him trying to portray his semantics.

"Won't", more like. It's just more of the usual "La-la-la-ignore-reality".

That's because the reality I'm trying to explain is more-than-somewhat inconvenient to your position, since it shoots your starting point right down. <shrug>

[Atomic12C]

Atomic12C said:

? is this yet another thread to be hijacked by 2cvs purely because only his line of thinking is to be correct one ?

That'll be a yes then.

Edited by Atomic12C on Friday 19th January 09:25

[TooMany2cvs]

Atomic12C said:

? is this yet another thread to be hijacked by 2cvs purely because only his line of thinking is to be correct one ?

You can try and divert to personal attack to avoid the reality that the facts are against you, but it won't change anything.

France's land borders are open because of Schengen, not because of EU.
If it was because of EU, the UK-France sea border would be similarly open.
Brexit won't change the UK-France sea border one bit - unless the Le Touquet agreement collapses, which is simply between the UK and France.
The UK is not a Schengen member, and would not ever have been one unless the UK chose to be.
UK asylum policy has nothing to do with EU membership.
UK border enforcement has nothing to do with EU membership.

The EU is, simply, irrelevant when it comes to looking at the UK-France border.

Edited by TooMany2cvs on Friday 19th January 09:18

[Shay HTFC]

TooMany2cvs said:

You can try and divert to personal attack to avoid the reality that the facts are against you, but it won't change anything.

France's land borders are open because of Schengen, not because of EU.
If it was because of EU, the UK-France sea border would be similarly open.
Brexit won't change the UK-France sea border one bit - unless the Le Touquet agreement collapses, which is simply between the UK and France.
The UK is not a Schengen member, and would not ever have been one unless the UK chose to be.
UK asylum policy has nothing to do with EU membership.
UK border enforcement has nothing to do with EU membership.

The EU is, simply, irrelevant when it comes to looking at the UK-France border.

Edited by TooMany2cvs on Friday 19th January 09:18

Officially it might not, but I'm sure the German, French big wigs are much less likely to gather with us in the subsidised EU HQ canteen and try to find a compromise around the border issue, and will now be much more likely to say 'meh, just deal with it, and the illegal migrants, yourself'.

[OldGermanHeaps]

Why dont we just invade france and annex it? It looked easy enough the first time round when the losers gave it a go.

[Phud]

TooMany2cvs said:

You can try and divert to personal attack to avoid the reality that the facts are against you, but it won't change anything.

France's land borders are open because of Schengen, not because of EU.
If it was because of EU, the UK-France sea border would be similarly open.
Brexit won't change the UK-France sea border one bit - unless the Le Touquet agreement collapses, which is simply between the UK and France.
The UK is not a Schengen member, and would not ever have been one unless the UK chose to be.
UK asylum policy has nothing to do with EU membership.
UK border enforcement has nothing to do with EU membership.

The EU is, simply, irrelevant when it comes to looking at the UK-France border.

Edited by TooMany2cvs on Friday 19th January 09:18

Not quite the truth, Schengen was integrated in the EU in 1999 we maintained out opt out, it is only because we opted out at the start otherwise it is part of membership.

[TooMany2cvs]

Phud said:

Not quite the truth, Schengen was integrated in the EU in 1999 we maintained out opt out, it is only because we opted out at the start otherwise it is part of membership.

Yes, new EU members are obliged to join Schengen as soon as they meet all the requirements - like the Eurozone.

Doesn't make them the same thing.

[alfie2244]

OldGermanHeaps said:

Why dont we just invade france and annex it? It looked easy enough the first time round when the losers gave it a go.

Should we just start with Brittany 1st? (aka Less, Lesser or Little Britain IIRC )

[don'tbesilly]

TooMany2cvs said:

Atomic12C said:

don'tbesilly said:

I do yes, but the countries mentioned and directly impacted by the huge influx of migrants are EU members.

What point were you trying to make?

I can't pick up his point either - other than him trying to portray his semantics.

"Won't", more like. It's just more of the usual "La-la-la-ignore-reality".

That's because the reality I'm trying to explain is more-than-somewhat inconvenient to your position, since it shoots your starting point right down. <shrug>

Please feel free to make your point, and point out what in what I responded to was in anyway "La-la-la-ignore-reality"

[BlackLabel]

Utterly predictable.......

“Rush to Calais after Theresa May’s promise on asylum claims”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rush-to-calais-...

[dandarez]

BlackLabel said:

Utterly predictable.......

“Rush to Calais after Theresa May’s promise on asylum claims”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rush-to-calais-...

Interesting.
French interior ministry: about 100 migrants, mainly children, have arrived since May's pledge.

Accompanied, unaccompanied or between the ages of 19 to 29?

[JagLover]

A spot of trouble amongst the "children" waiting to come in to the UK.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42912670

[Russian Troll Bot]

I don't see what the big deal is, it's perfectly normal? When I was at uni the prospective doctors and engineers were forever busting caps in eachother and lobbing stones at the police

[Camelot1971]

Maybe the camps could be turned into a Hunger Games type event, with the winner getting an all expenses paid trip to the land of milk and honey.

[Europa1]

Russian Troll Bot said:

I don't see what the big deal is, it's perfectly normal? When I was at uni the prospective doctors and engineers were forever busting caps in eachother and lobbing stones at the police

"busting caps"? Did you go to Uni in an American ghetto?

[del mar]

Are these the people that Lily and the like were offering rooms to ?

We need these people in our country they will be of great benefit to the UK