Middle aged virgins

[AreOut]

so MGTOW men are called MGTOW while WGTOW women are just called..women?! That's unfair

[Cold]

Tim2k9 said:

I feel you are taking my post regarding the MGTOW group out of context.

Edit: actually to add I’m not sure why I’m even arguing with your straw man argument.

It's not really a strawman argument is it? You basically compared those who choose to be single (for their own reasons) with Nazis and the KKK. Even for NP&E that's a special leap.

[Tim2k9]

Cold said:

It's not really a strawman argument is it? You basically compared those who choose to be single (for their own reasons) with Nazis and the KKK. Even for NP&E that's a special leap.

No I compared MGTOW, a group which post things such as:

Buttered woman syndrome - https://www.mgtow.com/channel/no-holds-barred/?v=O...
The flakey chick phenomenon - https://www.mgtow.com/the-flakey-chick-phenomenon/
All women have gone insane - https://www.mgtow.com/no/

A reddit group which is filled with woman hate and a group of people who think women have “hamsters” for brains.

As similar to a party which slowly turned hatred towards a group of people.

Also stop creating the strawman that I’m aiming this at single people or single people who choose to be single. My comments are targeted at a group who have a large vocal amount of members who hate women, not every member of the group will feel the same but if you choose to align with a group then you align with the actions of that group.

I’ll start quoting ROK, who are the PUA part of MGTOW, if we want

[Clockwork Cupcake]

[Jasandjules]

Tim2k9 said:

I’ll start quoting ROK, who are the PUA part of MGTOW, if we want

Sure why not. Also, please explain WTF you are talking about.

[Rich_W]

Tim2k9 said:

Also stop creating the strawman that I’m aiming this at single people or single people who choose to be single. My comments are targeted at a group who have a large vocal amount of members who hate women, not every member of the group will feel the same but if you choose to align with a group then you align with the actions of that group.

But surely everyone who chooses to be single is MGTOW. Thus they are all part of the group. And obviously to you that means the vast majority hate women.

Did it occur to you that some will have internalised their failings? They will blame themselves for not being good with women or able to maintain relationships. They don't hate women like those 3 links you posted (which are probably the more extreme end of the scale anyway) So rather that. They choose to eschew relationships

Tim2k9 said:

I’ll start quoting ROK, who are the PUA part of MGTOW, if we want

PUA is a direct opposite to MGTOW. So to link them is something of a strawman.

PUAs (or Pick Up Artist/Artistry to those wondering) are actively seeking women, again probably most with relatively honourable intentions of getting a Girlfriend. PUA is about teaching guys ways to get girlfriends. Those Anti it will say it "tricks" women into sleeping with them.

But I struggle to see any difference between a guy in a bar chatting to a girl, buying her a drink or two, making her laugh. Taking her number or going back to her place.

And a guy has read a book/website and learnt silly magic tricks before hand? And then does the exact same thing?

[Clockwork Cupcake]

Rich_W said:

PUAs (or Pick Up Artist/Artistry to those wondering) are actively seeking women, again probably most with relatively honourable intentions of getting a Girlfriend. PUA is about teaching guys ways to get girlfriends. Those Anti it will say it "tricks" women into sleeping with them.

https://xkcd.com/1027/

[Gandahar]

I can see a happy compromise here that will help both parties....

[anonymous-user]

That PUA thing is the most pathetic trend I’ve seen in years.

[Rich_W]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

Rich_W said:

PUAs (or Pick Up Artist/Artistry to those wondering) are actively seeking women, again probably most with relatively honourable intentions of getting a Girlfriend. PUA is about teaching guys ways to get girlfriends. Those Anti it will say it "tricks" women into sleeping with them.

https://xkcd.com/1027/

All those "tactics" though hasn't tricked anybody. She aint sleeping with him! Maybe if the tactics were better. And by better, I mean, "be fun and normal and have a laugh"

But my point stands that even though the guy in the cartoon is an idiot, He clearly doesn't hate women, just misguided, and he's wanting to spend time with women so hes not exactly MGTOW is he.

So you cant link them really.

ETA

I saw a programme years ago, probably Ch4. There was 3 guys of varying levels of inexperience. The 2 American "dating coaches" who'd flown to London (I digress but wasn't there a st Will Smith film about that?) were just cool guys, there wasn't any being rude to people it was about trying to make these guys comfortable talking to women in the street and bars. Making them a bit more extrovert and socailly aware. To me, that's what PUA probably started out as, but got mutated into that cartoon of over thought tactics that 95% of women can see through straight away.

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Big call!

They're ALL mental!

Edited by Rich_W on Saturday 26th May 19:20

[AreOut]

hit the gym
make the money

basically all that's important for starting a relatinoship, now making it a quality relationship is another pair of shoes

[Scootersp]

AreOut said:

hit the gym
make the money

basically all that's important for starting a relatinoship, now making it a quality relationship is another pair of shoes

Is it time for this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WITBBVLAMkQ