Naughty Leavers...

[schmalex]

I too work internationally and have held meetings in Asia, US and Europe over the last month or so. However, I don’t live in any of those places. I move about freely either on a short term business visa or tourist entry. That won’t change post Brexit.

It’s easy to get a work visa to nip in and out for business meetings, trade shows and the like, but it’s a completely different kettle of fish to apply for a residential working visa.

Edited by schmalex on Tuesday 17th July 21:35

[sas62]

schmalex said:

I too work internationally and have held meetings in Asia, US and Europe over the last month or so. However, I don’t live in any of those places and move about freely either on a short term business visa or tourist entry. That won’t change post Brexit. It’s easy to get a work visa to nip in and out for business meetings, trade shows and the like, but it’s a different kettle of fish to apply for a residential visa.

It's not hard. Have you never noticed during your business trips the large number of British people you deal with who are employed in those locations? Maybe it's the industry I worked in (Finance) but a large percentage of locally employed people I dealt with were British.

Oddly, the only really difficult international employment visa issues I came across was when I tried to recruit an Australian into a London post. Being obliged to advertise in EU journals to ensure we were not overlooking an EU national added a couple of months to the process. That issue should be alleviated going forward.

Edited by sas62 on Tuesday 17th July 21:40

[schmalex]

I deal with military, security or government personnel, so rarely meet with non-indigenous people due to the nature of their business

[Russian Troll Bot]

jjlynn27 said:

Russian Troll Bot said:

Hang on, I thought all leave voters were thicko gammon racists, so would have made up their minds long in advance of the vote?

You'd have to be particularly stupid to 'think' that 'all leave voters were thicko gammon racists'.

Coming from the person who spends his entire time here belittling and insulting everyone who disagrees with him.

[irocfan]

JagLover said:

Looking at the numbers most British people, if they do want to move to the EU, view it as a retirement destination.

but I thought that all retirees were racist, why would they want to move abroad?

[schmalex]

schmalex said:

texaxile said:

yep, don't let facts get in the way of your misguided and ungrateful opinion.

Enlighten me. Which facts do you refer to?

Still waiting...

[jjlynn27]

Russian Troll Bot said:

jjlynn27 said:

Russian Troll Bot said:

Hang on, I thought all leave voters were thicko gammon racists, so would have made up their minds long in advance of the vote?

You'd have to be particularly stupid to 'think' that 'all leave voters were thicko gammon racists'.

Coming from the person who spends his entire time here belittling and insulting everyone who disagrees with him.

It wasn't an insult. It was a statement of fact. You made something, pretty stupid, up. Anyone who says that 'all leave voters were thicko gammon racists' is dim, to put it mildly, regardless of who it is. If you can quote anyone saying that, you should quote it. My guess is that nobody actually said that, but that, once again, well-worn victim card is out. There are few leavers parroting that same line, but whenever you ask who actually said that you get nothing.

[gooner1]

schmalex said:

Currently, the populations of member states of the EU are entitled to free movement of labour across the union. If we are no longer a member and therefore no longer subject to free movement of labour – it could be harder to secure work in any one of the remaining 27 countries of the EU.

As a result, in time, you may need a visa or work permit to work in these countries, which may make securing a job in the EU less straightforward than it is currently.

Ah, could and may.
Not actually a fact then.

[schmalex]

No. Truth is no-one knows what will happen. Best case it remains the same (but then that undermines a good 50% of the basis of the brexit campaign). Worst case, the EU throw up barriers a la US / Aus etc. Reality is probably somewhere in the middle, which is still a net negative when compared to freedom of movement through the EU today

Not a great position to put our current and future generations in, is it?

[texaxile]

schmalex said:

Still waiting...

In typical remainer style you tried to manipulate my answer to try and suit your needs. I changed my quote - or if you prefer reworded my answer to make it clear to you before you replied, as my previous reply I felt was not clear and could be misconstrued as you correctly pointed out, hence my delay in response now. I'm sorry that I don't actually work to your timescale of demands, as I have some other stuff to do, like put my kids to bed and cannot respond on a minute by minute basis.

I find it odd that you belittle the response from your "in laws" because despite all your seemingly comprehensive knowledge of how the UK will turn out financially due to brexit, you try to score points by highlighting a "verbatim" response which is actually factual, regardless of the fact that it doesn't sit comfortably with your personal views.

My wife was a refugee, she came from Vietnam to the Philippines as a "boat refugee", got an education and settled here in the UK and currently works for the NHS as a Matron. The comment regarding your Son as having been educated rings true because people who are genuinely well qualified within their field will get jobs elsewhere. That is a "fact" I was referring to.

That, along with the "fact" that prior to becoming stangled by the EU dicatatorial rules, we , as a Country were doing pretty well. We managed to get a Welfare state without the EU's help, which ironically is exploited by the very same economic migrants that you are so keen to champion.

apologies for any spelling mistakes, i'm trying to type this wearing my wifes glasses.

Edited by texaxile on Tuesday 17th July 22:09

[sas62]

schmalex said:

No. Truth is no-one knows what will happen. Best case it remains the same (but then that undermines a good 50% of the basis of the brexit campaign). Worst case, the EU throw up barriers a la US / Aus etc. Reality is probably somewhere in the middle, which is still a net negative when compared to freedom of movement through the EU today

Not a great position to put our current and future generations in, is it?

In your view free movement through the EU is a benefit being lost. Do you not see that a lot of people see free movement as a bad thing.? With a finite number of people able to be absorbed and EU citizens having free movement, it means that restrictions on non EU immigration are tighter. Try to recruit a Philippine nurse, an Indian IT person, an Australian doctor and you'll find out that the great benefit of EU free movement comes at a hefty price for non EU movement.

As already mentioned, suitably educated and qualified children and grandchildren need have no fear about finding employment globally. My daughter has just completed her degree in French & Italian and envisages far more opportunities as a result of Brexit.

[schmalex]

texaxile said:

schmalex said:

Still waiting...

In typical remainer style you tried to manipulate my answer to try and suit your needs. I changed my quote - or if you prefer reworded my answer to make it clear to you before you replied, as my previous reply I felt was not clear and could be misconstrued as you correctly pointed out, hence my delay in response now. I'm sorry that I don't actually work to your timescale of demands, as I have some other stuff to do, like put my kids to bed and cannot respond on a minute by minute basis.

I find it odd that you belittle the response from your "in laws" because despite all your seemingly comprehensive knowledge of how the UK will turn out financially due to brexit, you try to score points by highlighting a "verbatim" response which is actually factual, regardless of the fact that it doesn't sit comfortably with your personal views.

My wife was a refugee, she came from Vietnam to the Philippines as a "boat refugee", got an education and settled here in the UK and currently works for the NHS as a Matron. The comment regarding your Son as having been educated rings true because people who are genuinely well qualified within their field will get jobs elsewhere. That is a "fact" I was referring to.

That, along with the "fact" that prior to becoming stangled by the EU dicatatorial rules, we , as a Country were doing pretty well. We managed to get a Welfare state without the EU's help, which ironically is exploited by the very same economic migrants that you are so keen to champion.

apologies for any spelling mistakes, i'm trying to type this wearing my wifes glasses.

Edited by texaxile on Tuesday 17th July 22:09

Fair points. Apologies for being obtuse

[texaxile]

...And my apologies for being the same.

[gooner1]

schmalex said:

No. Truth is no-one knows what will happen. Best case it remains the same (but then that undermines a good 50% of the basis of the brexit campaign). Worst case, the EU throw up barriers a la US / Aus etc. Reality is probably somewhere in the middle, which is still a net negative when compared to freedom of movement through the EU today

Not a great position to put our current and future generations in, is it?

So in fact the worst case scenario would be determined
by the E.U.
Do you imagine the UK will put barriers in the way of E.U
applicants that are needed here?

[KrissKross]

schmalex said:

No. Truth is no-one knows what will happen.

Will people in the UK still want to buy German cars?

Every scenario is like this, it's not difficult to handle but the people in charge are not business people or capable of negotiation, the team we have leading us is completely inadequate.

[johnxjsc1985]

KrissKross said:

Will people in the UK still want to buy German cars?

Every scenario is like this, it's not difficult to handle but the people in charge are not business people or capable of negotiation, the team we have leading us is completely inadequate.

Isnt this largely the problem . I cannot see any situation where Business people would want to damage a relationship with a very valuable customer. We have the biggest numpties on both sides going around beating their chests like demented Gorilla's.

[olimain]

amusingduck said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bre...


Apologies if this has been posted already

Interesting, thanks

Edited by olimain on Wednesday 18th July 12:24

[amusingduck]

olimain said:

Interesting, thanks

I thought so too. It seems there's a lot of double edged swords hiding in the brexit bushes. What helps your side today might harm your side tomorrow. Fascinating stuff!

[Wobbegong]

johnxjsc1985 said:

Isnt this largely the problem . I cannot see any situation where Business people would want to damage a relationship with a very valuable customer. We have the biggest numpties on both sides going around beating their chests like demented Gorilla's.

Agree. Shows how childish the politicians are. Neither side seems interested in the best resolution for both the U.K. and EU. No different to a bitter divorce, except we have Ireland as the child finding itself used as a weapon to spite the other side.
You’d hope that politicians would be better, but knowing what they’re like, I guess it was inevitable that it would descend into bitter squabbling and petty point scoring.

[wc98]

Wobbegong said:

johnxjsc1985 said:

Isnt this largely the problem . I cannot see any situation where Business people would want to damage a relationship with a very valuable customer. We have the biggest numpties on both sides going around beating their chests like demented Gorilla's.

Agree. Shows how childish the politicians are. Neither side seems interested in the best resolution for both the U.K. and EU. No different to a bitter divorce, except we have Ireland as the child finding itself used as a weapon to spite the other side.
You’d hope that politicians would be better, but knowing what they’re like, I guess it was inevitable that it would descend into bitter squabbling and petty point scoring.

bang on the money. i was one of the stupid people that thought once the referendum was over everyone would just get on with it,whatever the outcome was.