A tax on red meat?...
Discussion
LDN said:
Evanivitch said:
LDN said:
You said you were gonna intrigued by Wings; because he’d not eaten meat. I was referring to that; and that I’m close to two people who have also never eaten meat.
You're mistaken. I'm not intrigued by Wings, I'm intrigued by people that claim they've made a conscious decision their entire life to not eat meat.Evanivitch said:
LDN said:
Evanivitch said:
LDN said:
You said you were gonna intrigued by Wings; because he’d not eaten meat. I was referring to that; and that I’m close to two people who have also never eaten meat.
You're mistaken. I'm not intrigued by Wings, I'm intrigued by people that claim they've made a conscious decision their entire life to not eat meat.
Nanook said:
LDN said:
Evanivitch said:
LDN said:
Evanivitch said:
LDN said:
You said you were gonna intrigued by Wings; because he’d not eaten meat. I was referring to that; and that I’m close to two people who have also never eaten meat.
You're mistaken. I'm not intrigued by Wings, I'm intrigued by people that claim they've made a conscious decision their entire life to not eat meat.
Halb said:
Roofless Toothless said:
Probably what we do now will be thought of in future as equally horrific.
I think if people knew today how modern large scale meat manufacture works, it would be considered barbaric, the general public are pretty removed from it.Some here on PH seem to have an issue with this coming to light which is odd. We should all want to be informed and educated.
LDN said:
Not speaking for Wings but related; my fiancé was brought up vegetarian; as was her brother. Both look half their age; to the point it has actually affected their business lives; not been taken seriously due to looking too young!!! As well; both have been without ailment their whole lives. This is from birth to present day.
Could also be they have good genes running in the family!Roman Rhodes said:
One of the most hilariously stupid bits of ‘analysis’ I’ve ever seen posted! The only phenomenon is in your head. Is this where the expression Meathead comes from?
Brexit voting anti-immigration supporters of similar s
t stuff stopped evolving in the caveman days? Perhaps you are on to something.... 
Brexit voting anti-immigration supporters of similar s
t stuff stopped evolving in the caveman days? Perhaps you are on to something.... 
PH always delivers.
LDN said:
Not speaking for Wings but related; my fiancé was brought up vegetarian; as was her brother. Both look half their age; to the point it has actually affected their business lives; not been taken seriously due to looking too young!!! As well; both have been without ailment their whole lives. This is from birth to present day.
i have eaten a lot of meat most of my life and pretty much only meat for the last couple of years. No ailments, height/weight proportionate and got a bit leaner and fitter as I've cut out the vegetables and stuff. I wouldn't say I look half my age but I definitely don't get taken seriously in business situations which I can only put down to my youthful good looks.
JuanCarlosFandango said:
LDN said:
Not speaking for Wings but related; my fiancé was brought up vegetarian; as was her brother. Both look half their age; to the point it has actually affected their business lives; not been taken seriously due to looking too young!!! As well; both have been without ailment their whole lives. This is from birth to present day.
i have eaten a lot of meat most of my life and pretty much only meat for the last couple of years. No ailments, height/weight proportionate and got a bit leaner and fitter as I've cut out the vegetables and stuff. I wouldn't say I look half my age but I definitely don't get taken seriously in business situations which I can only put down to my youthful good looks.
Nanook said:
Saleen836 said:
LDN said:
Not speaking for Wings but related; my fiancé was brought up vegetarian; as was her brother. Both look half their age; to the point it has actually affected their business lives; not been taken seriously due to looking too young!!! As well; both have been without ailment their whole lives. This is from birth to present day.
Could also be they have good genes running in the family!k-tonne of meat over the years, and whilst I don't look half my age (ever actually met a 34 year old that looked 17? WTF?!) I've never had any ailments either, if you don't count physical injury completely unrelated to my diet.Correlation does not imply causation.
k-tonne of meat’ as you so eleoqently put it... and also have no ailments. The point was that, one poster was intrigued (using his own language) about Wings; who says he’s never eaten meat; his whole life. I just stated that I also know two people that are the same. There’s not many if them about. There’ll be more in a generations time. LDN said:
Not speaking for Wings but related; my fiancé was brought up vegetarian; as was her brother. Both look half their age; to the point it has actually affected their business lives; not been taken seriously due to looking too young!!! As well; both have been without ailment their whole lives. This is from birth to present day.
the anti-aging reason is a great motivator. Do your age defying friends also partake in exercise and stay away from sugary-processed foods?Halb said:
LDN said:
Not speaking for Wings but related; my fiancé was brought up vegetarian; as was her brother. Both look half their age; to the point it has actually affected their business lives; not been taken seriously due to looking too young!!! As well; both have been without ailment their whole lives. This is from birth to present day.
the anti-aging reason is a great motivator. Do your age defying friends also partake in exercise and stay away from sugary-processed foods?I’m not saying they’re the state they’re in because of being brought up vegetarian; merely that, being brought up vegetarian has not affected them in any negative way. Any effect seems to have been positive. People brought up from birth as vegetarian are uncommon; but will be more common in future, no doubt.
Evanivitch said:
I'm intrigued by this position.
Were you raised by vegetarians? Or did you become vegetarian?
From my early primary school days, I just never fancied eating meat, much I believe was down to difficulty in chewing, eating and digesting meat. I came from a family of eight, including parents, all who were avid meat eaters. With the increase in fast food takeaways, substituted meat horror stories, and with recent years of health warnings, now I believe I might have made the right choice.Were you raised by vegetarians? Or did you become vegetarian?
I don't agree with a nanny state, there should however be health advice, and if people decide to drink, smoke or eat red meat etc. etc., then that is there prerogative, with the health consequences that goes with the same.
Wings said:
From my early primary school days, I just never fancied eating meat, much I believe was down to difficulty in chewing, eating and digesting meat. I came from a family of eight, including parents, all who were avid meat eaters. With the increase in fast food takeaways, substituted meat horror stories, and with recent years of health warnings, now I believe I might have made the right choice.
That's very supportive parents to enable you to be a vegetarian from the age of 8. My sister tried and failed, as did my wife, to be a vegetarian in a non-veggie family. Both became pescatarians instead.LDN said:
Meat is linked; across the board; to cancer and heart disease. It’s a fact. But yes, you can ignore that fact, or accept the risks; of course.
Correction some statistical studies may suggest a link. However, most of those studies rely on data dredging and very low causation links. It’s also increasingly likely such studies are incapable of replication.I say this not as someone who ignores experts but as someone who main subject at University, and to some extent while working, has been statistics.
If some are interested John Brignell book Sorry Wrong Number is still available second hand and well worth a read.
If you want to point be to the detail of any specific study I will be happy to comment. Although I will say now the comments tend to be the same:
1. Lots of medical records studies, often thousands.
2. Medical record may show some evidence of the amount of meat being eaten but this will be survey data and should have large error bands, but the study will assume its correct.
3. Check illness rates relative to amount of meat eaten even though if your honest you have no idea how much was eaten. Compare to illness rates for those who do not eat meat, or at least say they do not.
4. The illness levels will be much lower maybe as low as a figure in the 10’s.
5. Apply the old 5% test and anything that pops out even if causation factor is only 1.3% and you publish.
LDN said:
Some here on PH seem to have an issue with this coming to light which is odd. We should all want to be informed and educated.
I have an issue generally with lies for profit or ideology masquerading as science. Epidemiology is basically junk science; nutritional studies are too expensive for government so they are invariably funded by the food industry, who inevitably get the results they want - a "health halo" for their products or the demonization of competitors.Activists are unlikely to be a source of anything other than misinformation.
grumbledoak said:
LDN said:
Some here on PH seem to have an issue with this coming to light which is odd. We should all want to be informed and educated.
I have an issue generally with lies for profit or ideology masquerading as science. Epidemiology is basically junk science; nutritional studies are too expensive for government so they are invariably funded by the food industry, who inevitably get the results they want - a "health halo" for their products or the demonization of competitors.Activists are unlikely to be a source of anything other than misinformation.
It must be great to have already come to solid conclusions and to discount any evidence that doesn’t support you’re stance. Some call that a bubble but I won’t be so rude!
Roman Rhodes said:
One of the most hilariously stupid bits of ‘analysis’ I’ve ever seen posted! The only phenomenon is in your head. Is this where the expression Meathead comes from?
Brexit voting anti-immigration supporters of similar st stuff stopped evolving in the caveman days? Perhaps you are on to something....
I am on to something. Both you and LDN took issue with my post; he's a vegetarian and you're obviously a fellow traveller at least.Brexit voting anti-immigration supporters of similar s
t stuff stopped evolving in the caveman days? Perhaps you are on to something.... So the data supports the model.
Vegetarianism leads to left wingness.
Now, because we already know that older voters favoured Brexit it's reasonable to speculate that meat eating right wingers live longer, therefore making any correlation between red meat and cancer irrelevant because the benefits outweigh the risks compared to the left wing vegetarians who passed away earlier. As proven by a sample of 17.4 million gammons.
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