Poor MPs being bullied outside parliament

[anonymous-user]

REALIST123 said:

Trolleys Thank You said:

Rovinghawk said:

Trolleys Thank You said:

"It's McDonell's fault the far right frothers are harassing MPs". Lol, this place is comedy gold sometimes.

Ooh- when did someone say that?

Desperate attempt at whataboutisms by yourself.

???

Thread starts about right wingers calling Soubry a Nazi and harassing her outside Parliament.

Usual PHs right wingers start saying whatabout McDonnell whatabout Farage etc,

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TTwiggy said:

Smiler. said:

TTwiggy said:

Good work by PH posters here. In roughly two pages this whole thing has been turned into a left-wing attack on a Tory MP, with the distinct possibility of Momentum being behind it.

What exactly is your point?

That some posters seem incapably of accepting that anything 'bad' coming from their 'side' genuinely comes from their 'side', or that their 'side' is capable of doing 'bad' things.

Examples would include 'Thomas Mair never shouted "Britain First"', 'the Nazis were socialists' and 'anyone who calls someone a Nazi must be left-wing'.

OK. I'm generally in agreement.

It would've been better to save said that, instead of the provocative earlier post.

Possibly.

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El stovey said:

Thread starts about right wingers calling Soubry a Nazi and harassing her outside Parliament.

Usual PHs right wingers start saying whatabout McDonnell whatabout Farage etc,

Yeah, but they started it.

[TTwiggy]

Smiler. said:

OK. I'm generally in agreement.

It would've been better to save said that, instead of the provocative earlier post.

Possibly.

My earlier post was simply a precis of what had happened.

[anonymous-user]

Hosenbugler said:

Smollet said:

This may have already been mentioned but those haranguing Soubry and calling her a Nazi are supposed to be right wing extremists. Now unless I’ve got this very wrong I’d have thought they’re more likely to call her a Commie rather than praise her. None of it adds up. Methinks Momentum is at work.

Quite right , I've only briefly looked at what happened, (or rather the edited version of such) but considering the apparent insults, it seems the Nazi tag is far more likely to be applied to her by left wing extremists for being a Conservative MP full stop, as against her being a remain MP.

Classic.

You actually think it was lefties trying to give right wingers a bad name?

[Boydie88]

Smiler. said:

TTwiggy said:

Good work by PH posters here. In roughly two pages this whole thing has been turned into a left-wing attack on a Tory MP, with the distinct possibility of Momentum being behind it.

What exactly is your point?

He hasn't had one since being asked to back up his hysterical nonsense.

[Trolleys Thank You]

Smollet said:

This may have already been mentioned but those haranguing Soubry and calling her a Nazi are supposed to be right wing extremists. Now unless I’ve got this very wrong I’d have thought they’re more likely to call her a Commie rather than praise her. None of it adds up. Methinks Momentum is at work.

No it's not McDonnell, it's all Momentum. Ahahahaha. As I was saying, comedy gold.

TTwiggy said:

Good work by PH posters here. In roughly two pages this whole thing has been turned into a left-wing attack on a Tory MP, with the distinct possibility of Momentum being behind it.

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TTwiggy said:

Smiler. said:

OK. I'm generally in agreement.

It would've been better to save said that, instead of the provocative earlier post.

Possibly.

My earlier post was simply a precis of what had happened.

Well, in your opinion.

[kev1974]

Why is there an outdoor / exposed TV studio next to Parliament anyway. Frankly stupid idea!

[alfie2244]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46792556

[bitchstewie]

kev1974 said:

Why is there an outdoor / exposed TV studio next to Parliament anyway. Frankly stupid idea!

Hasn't it been there for a number of years?

The levels of abuse we're seeing do seem to be a reasonably new phenomenon.

[coldel]

kev1974 said:

Why is there an outdoor / exposed TV studio next to Parliament anyway. Frankly stupid idea!

Agreed, in a world of AR there mus be cheaper/easier options

[Trolleys Thank You]

kev1974 said:

Why is there an outdoor / exposed TV studio next to Parliament anyway. Frankly stupid idea!

I know, right? Not like anything newsworthy goes on in that building is there?

[TTwiggy]

Boydie88 said:

He hasn't had one since being asked to back up his hysterical nonsense.

What hysterical nonsense would that be? Unless you think that wishing sexual assault on women is 'banter', I don't think I'm being hysterical.

[Boydie88]

TTwiggy said:

Boydie88 said:

He hasn't had one since being asked to back up his hysterical nonsense.

What hysterical nonsense would that be? Unless you think that wishing sexual assault on women is 'banter', I don't think I'm being hysterical.

You were suggesting the standard go to for women whenever they are involved is is that they should be sexually assaulted when at most it's an extreme minority, you wouldn't let the minority tarnish the majority now would you?

[jakesmith]

This type of harassment is not acceptable for anyone to suffer when doing their job
If you don't like an MP then don't vote for them, don't go and harass them outside work, we have an established democratic process in this country
The quality of MPs might well be at an all time low but honestly who would want to do it these days for all this hassle and it's hardly incredible pay
If to put up with being an MP you need to be too thick skinned wouldn't that affect your ability to be a decent MP?

[TTwiggy]

Boydie88 said:

TTwiggy said:

Boydie88 said:

He hasn't had one since being asked to back up his hysterical nonsense.

What hysterical nonsense would that be? Unless you think that wishing sexual assault on women is 'banter', I don't think I'm being hysterical.

You were suggesting the standard go to for women whenever they are involved is is that they should be sexually assaulted when at most it's an extreme minority, you wouldn't let the minority tarnish the majority now would you?

Google 'female MPs, rape/sexual assault threats' and see how widespread it is.

When a woman in the public eye says or does something that one particular group dislikes (and it's not limited to one particular side of the political spectrum) you can guarantee that rape threats will follow.

[Boydie88]

TTwiggy said:

Google 'female MPs, rape/sexual assault threats' and see how widespread it is.

When a woman in the public eye says or does something that one particular group dislikes (and it's not limited to one particular side of the political spectrum) you can guarantee that rape threats will follow.

Crying threats of sexual assault whenever a woman is challenged is widespread, the threats themselves seem hard to find for some reason.

Again, threats and wishes are different things - though both disgusting, it's not that hard. And if you're advocating people are held accountable to the law for what they say, semantics do matter.

[TTwiggy]

Boydie88 said:

TTwiggy said:

Google 'female MPs, rape/sexual assault threats' and see how widespread it is.

When a woman in the public eye says or does something that one particular group dislikes (and it's not limited to one particular side of the political spectrum) you can guarantee that rape threats will follow.

Crying threats of sexual assault whenever a woman is challenged is widespread, the threats themselves seem hard to find for some reason.

Again, threats and wishes are different things - though both disgusting, it's not that hard. And if you're advocating people are held accountable to the law for what they say, semantics do matter.

Did you bother to read the link I posted about Stella Creasy? Do you have an opinion on that at all?

I know from experience that you and I are not going to agree. In fact it seems that the simple sight of my user name is enough to set you off, as I note you haven't pursued any other posters with the vehemency you've allocated to me. So best we just leave this, eh?

[chrispmartha]

Not-The-Messiah said:

chrispmartha said:

They didn’t call ger a communist, clown or fecking retard though, they called her a Nazi. Why not just deal with actually what happened rather than engaging in whataboutism

It makes not difference that's the point, you can't just personally choose which is offensive or not.
The only legal argument I could see is that it's libellous/ deformation. In which case the argument must be the person saying it must believe or trying to make others believe that the person in question is actually a Nazi, communist, clown or whatever.

Are you seriously saying that people will believe that Anne soubry is an actual Nazi? A national socialist who believes in superiority of a certain race and would be rounding people to commit genocide if given the chance? I know some idiots sort of believe it with people like Tommy Robinson, even Trump but come on.

Of course it makes a difference, do you really think if tge protestors had called AS a Clown there would be as much of a fuss being made.

So your defence of those protestors is they didn’t really mean it? The word Nazi has serous connotations