Liz Truss Prime Minister
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Al Gorithum said:
the-photographer said:
Al Gorithum said:
Newarch said:
Windfall tax on energy companies?
100% agree but LT doesn't seem keen on that, so I question whether the energy firms fund the Tory Party.If she announces tax cuts for users instead of tax increases on energy firms to deal with the energy crisis, that is effectively the British tax payer funding foreign corporate greed.
As many as 43 members of the House of Lords have investments totalling millions of pounds and senior roles in oil and gas companies, prompting accusations of “unethical” conflicts of interest.
An analysis by The Ferret can reveal that 33 of the peers who help make UK laws have shares worth a minimum of £50,000 in 19 oil and gas companies. A further ten peers chair, direct or advise 15 fossil fuel firms.
Most of the lords linked to big oil are Conservatives — 23 in all — amounting to nearly one in ten of the party’s peers. There are also 17 without political affiliations and three Labour, including five Scottish politicians.
https://theferret.scot/oil-industry-43-peers-share...
Oil and gas firms have given £1m to Boris Johnson’s Conservatives
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-invest...
By demographic I should be a Tory voter, but wouldn't give them the steam off my urine.
Calm down, you'll make yourself unwell.The answer (to the bold) is 'Have you not noticed how credible the opposition (any of 'em) currently are?'
The choice of Labour, Lib-Dem or Green is hardly inspiring to say the very least.
The two former seem only able to organise printing t-shirts - with either a dim message or an offensive one ...and then 'giggle'.
One of them, more especially Labour, should be romping ahead at this stage in the game, but they're not (any of 'em) are they?
Sit down and quietly and ask yourself this single question: 'Why?'
MDMA . said:
Gargamel said:
Al Gorithum said:
Oh good. 80k people (who think that Boris did a great job) has decided who is PM for the next 2 years.
She is an imbecile.
Do tell us about your stellar achievements ? She is an imbecile.
Truss attended Merton College, Oxford, and was President of Oxford University Liberal Democrats. In 1996, she both graduated and joined the Conservative Party. She worked at Shell and Cable & Wireless, and was deputy director of the think tank Reform. Truss was elected for South West Norfolk at the 2010 general election. As a backbencher, she called for reform in several policy areas including childcare, mathematics education and the economy. She founded the Free Enterprise Group of Conservative MPs and wrote or co-wrote a number of papers and books, including After the Coalition (2011) and Britannia Unchained (2012).
Truss served as Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Childcare and Education from 2012 to 2014, before being appointed to the Cabinet by Cameron as Secretary of State for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs in the 2014 cabinet reshuffle. Though she was a supporter of the Britain Stronger in Europe campaign for the UK to remain in the European Union in the 2016 referendum, she supported Brexit after the result. After Cameron resigned in July 2016, Truss was appointed Secretary of State for Justice and Lord Chancellor by May, becoming the first female Lord Chancellor in the thousand-year history of the office. Following the 2017 general election, Truss was appointed Chief Secretary to the Treasury. After May resigned in 2019, Truss supported Johnson's bid to become Conservative leader. He appointed Truss as Secretary of State for International Trade and President of the Board of Trade. She took on the additional role of Minister for Women and Equalities in September 2019. She moved from the Department for International Trade to be promoted to Secretary of State for Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Affairs in the 2021 cabinet reshuffle. She was appointed the Government's chief negotiator with the European Union and UK chair of the EU–UK Partnership Council in December 2021.
From 2004 until mid-2005, she had an extra-marital affair with the married MP Mark Field
So another PM with a high moral compass.
The rest is just politics, she went to Oxford (So did Cameron and Johnson), look how well that turned out.
She joined an opaque think tank, she had an affair with a high ranking tory and was then given a safe tory seat in true blue Norfolk.
She then did a copy and paste job on a number of trade agreements.
The question is what exactly has Liz Truss done that has added any value to the companies she works for? and what experience does she has to run a country. (Yup, pretty much zero).
cc3 said:
So if you had a pension you wouldn’t draw it? Hope no one in your family is drawing a pension. Every fund will have investments in gas, oil etc as the dividends historically have been good. In your world the state would just pay you in old age ?
I expect people making the laws to have a pension but not a SIP or have shareholdings, sure they fund manager may choose oil stocks but they didn't have any influencecc3 said:
Al Gorithum said:
Thank you. The Tory Party is a stinking cesspit. I really don't understand why an ordinary (thinking) working person would vote for them.
By demographic I should be a Tory voter, but wouldn't give them the steam off my urine.
So that would apply then to any friends or members of your family who have invested in a pension or are living off a pension. You would want to treat them the same way By demographic I should be a Tory voter, but wouldn't give them the steam off my urine.
You seem to be trying quite hard to justify bad behaviour. Why is that?
dandarez said:
Calm down, you'll make yourself unwell.The answer (to the bold) is 'Have you not noticed how credible the opposition (any of 'em) currently are?'
The choice of Labour, Lib-Dem or Green is hardly inspiring to say the very least.
Flip Martian said:
That's not the answer. Or shouldn't be. If nobody represents my views, voting for "the least moronic" or "the one I hate least" is really not the way forward I would choose.
Why is that? There are lots of situations where there are no great options, so the only smart thing to do is take the least bad one.dandarez said:
Calm down, you'll make yourself unwell.The answer (to the bold) is 'Have you not noticed how credible the opposition (any of 'em) currently are?'
The choice of Labour, Lib-Dem or Green is hardly inspiring to say the very least.
The two former seem only able to organise printing t-shirts - with either a dim message or an offensive one ...and then 'giggle'.
One of them, more especially Labour, should be romping ahead at this stage in the game, but they're not (any of 'em) are they?
Sit down and quietly and ask yourself this single question: 'Why?'
That may change at the next GE though, which I think is going to be an interesting one.
the-photographer said:
I expect people making the laws to have a pension but not a SIP or have shareholdings, sure they fund manager may choose oil stocks but they didn't have any influence
But if you are moaning about people investing in energy businesses you would want to treat everyone equally as that’s what we do in 2022 so if anyone has decided to take a job that puts money in a pension for them or has a family member who lives off a private pension you would want to treat them the same way as you think of Truss or some other MP. They are consciously choosing a job in the private sector or decided to be self employed and they are investing in things like energy shares via their pension contributions. Whereas in the public sector tax payers pay their pensions. So I guess any person outside the public sector gets the same treatment as Truss and MP’s.
Remember that next time you bump into Grandad of Granny they might be living off those filthy rich energy companies !!
WestyCarl said:
cirian75 said:
how long before the 1st major cock/up-turn?
I give it 6 hours
I've never really got this critising people for u-turns.I give it 6 hours
Of course we all want leaders to make correct decision's all the time, but back in the real world I want a leader who can recognise a wrong decision / path and be bold enough to correct it rather than to blindly continue.
If they are done because the person genuinely believes that what they originally thought was wrong, fair dos. Though if they constantly come to that realisation, it does beg the question why they keep thinking the wrong things...
If they are changing their minds because they fear being unpopular, that they think they were right but the press/public/whomever don't like it...that's not good. It shows lack of conviction and leadership.
It would be nice to see Truss eschew the whole "leaks" bulls
t that has afflicted politics for too long. Formulate good policy, from sound data and thinking, and then go with it. Live or die on your beliefs and ability, and that of the people you surround yourself with. Sadly I think she has all the hallmarks of someone who will double down on the leaks approach. And I suspect we'll see the first u-turns before the week is out based on the second option above.
the-photographer said:
Lets see
As many as 43 members of the House of Lords have investments totalling millions of pounds and senior roles in oil and gas companies, prompting accusations of “unethical” conflicts of interest.
An analysis by The Ferret can reveal that 33 of the peers who help make UK laws have shares worth a minimum of £50,000 in 19 oil and gas companies. A further ten peers chair, direct or advise 15 fossil fuel firms.
Most of the lords linked to big oil are Conservatives — 23 in all — amounting to nearly one in ten of the party’s peers. There are also 17 without political affiliations and three Labour, including five Scottish politicians.
https://theferret.scot/oil-industry-43-peers-share...
Oil and gas firms have given £1m to Boris Johnson’s Conservatives
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-invest...
Interesting how all the focus seems to be on the rapidly diminishing UK oil and gas sector and very little on the rather larger windfall profits being enjoyed by renewable energy producers in the current electricity market. I wonder as well how many political connections they have. As many as 43 members of the House of Lords have investments totalling millions of pounds and senior roles in oil and gas companies, prompting accusations of “unethical” conflicts of interest.
An analysis by The Ferret can reveal that 33 of the peers who help make UK laws have shares worth a minimum of £50,000 in 19 oil and gas companies. A further ten peers chair, direct or advise 15 fossil fuel firms.
Most of the lords linked to big oil are Conservatives — 23 in all — amounting to nearly one in ten of the party’s peers. There are also 17 without political affiliations and three Labour, including five Scottish politicians.
https://theferret.scot/oil-industry-43-peers-share...
Oil and gas firms have given £1m to Boris Johnson’s Conservatives
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-invest...
Al Gorithum said:
I agree which is why haven't voted for ages.
That may change at the next GE though, which I think is going to be an interesting one.
That may change at the next GE though, which I think is going to be an interesting one.
"The next government should give up on the whiners who will never vote Conservative"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/05/truss-...
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