Nurses, Rail Staff and Now Driving Examiners

[survivalist]

Getragdogleg said:

Two nurses looking after a relative, one works for an agency and earns more than the other who is NHS.

Agency one does fewer hours.

Contractors / Agency Staff getting more per hour/day is hardly surprising or new. Far less job security, benefits, training etc etc

[pork911]

Glasgowrob said:

pork911 said:

really?

top of band 5/start of band 6 you could make more as an assitant manager in mcdonalds

thousands of roles without responsibility or pressure?

if the job is that bad and far easier gigs elsewhere for same money why stay?

[Glasgowrob]

pork911 said:

thousands of roles without responsibility or pressure?

if the job is that bad and far easier gigs elsewhere for same money why stay?

and thats the problem,

lots and lots of them are not staying hence the nhs is really in the keek

[anonymous-user]

survivalist said:

Getragdogleg said:

Two nurses looking after a relative, one works for an agency and earns more than the other who is NHS.

Agency one does fewer hours.

Contractors / Agency Staff getting more per hour/day is hardly surprising or new. Far less job security, benefits, training etc etc

That used to be the case but not anymore. The public sector is so short staffed, companies are making huge sums of money for hiring people and selling the, back to the public sector.

The MOD has something called PDP, project delivery partners, they sell project managers to the MOD because the MOD has a massive resource shortfall and young grads don’t want to earn £25k in the MOD when they could earn £35k at good, established reputable companies who will pay for training, manage their career etc, it’s in their interest to keep offering MOD good, qualified talent as they quickly become indispensable. These aren’t engineering organisations like BAE etc who deliver capability, just resource providers. Many of them are actually ex-MOD staff following the money but in Bristol, where rent is ridiculous, I don’t blame them. Most of them are good PMs too, often ex forces.

And the cycle goes on, any public sector organisation is constrained by what it can offer as wages, people follow the money, work for a company that sells the resource to fill the gaps, the gaps never get filled, the cost to the tax payer goes up and up.

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 1st December 20:50

[survivalist]

pablo said:

That used to be the case but not anymore. The public sector is so short staffed, companies are making huge sums of money for hiring people and selling the, back to the public sector.

The MOD has something called PDP, project delivery partners, they sell project managers to the MOD because the MOD has a massive resource shortfall and young grads don’t want to earn £25k in the MOD when they could earn £35k at good, established reputable companies who will pay for training, manage their career etc, it’s in their interest to keep offering MOD good, qualified talent as they quickly become indispensable. These aren’t engineering organisations like BAE etc who deliver capability, just resource providers. Many of them are actually ex-MOD staff following the money but in Bristol, where rent is ridiculous, I don’t blame them. Most of them are good PMs too, often ex forces.

And the cycle goes on, any public sector organisation is constrained by what it can offer as wages, people follow the money, work for a company that sells the resource to fill the gaps, the gaps never get filled, the cost to the tax payer goes up and up.

Edited by pablo on Thursday 1st December 20:50

Don’t disagree with that, but the MOD (former employer in some cases) still have less long term responsibility / burden than they do with their own staff.

In this case it’s the project delivery partners taking the risk, presumably because they think there’s a low risk of the work drying up. The agencies supplying nurses could easily make the same decision.

If the various public sector organisations want to attract more talent the need a competitive package. Agency staff will likely still attract a better day rate for the reasons stated above.

[Bathroom_Security]

menousername said:

Disagree that in the majority of cases it is to make ends meat

There are two important factors (1) they simply have no concept of pension- they see it as a deduction in pay with no benefit so they take the pay. It is almost resented based on experience (2) short term-ism. As above a huge portion of nurses are here on visas. Lots stay lots do not. Those not intending to stay take the pay instead.

Edit to add - semi retirement is to take a lump sum. Then go back into the exact same job either full or part time.

Probably because they get paid fk all and its all matched. Don't you get 10% to 15% in the NHS (forgive me I can't remember the figure). Its matched, so a chunk of what is a st wage gets removed from your monthly wage. A lot to sacrifice when you earn a dog st wage.

Everyone's being squeezed hard so wanting more is more than understandable.

Trouble is everyone wants £50-60k a year for whatever 'profession' they work in.

We are fked, in 10 or 15 years we might ease out of this depression. That's if we are still alive

[vulture1]

Glasgowrob said:

pork911 said:

really?

top of band 5/start of band 6 you could make more as an assitant manager in mcdonalds

A quick google search says mcdonalds assistant manager 22-23k and a band 5 nurse 32-35k

[Glasgowrob]

a quick google suggests you are entirely right.




well off the mark with that one.

[Gecko1978]

I believe good starting pay is Aldi manager trainiee IIRC its 40k plus car straight out of uni, is it less stressful than being a nurse?

[mattyprice4004]

I've worked at McDonald's - the irony is that it's actually quite a stressful high-pressure environment.

Luckily the standards of the girls working alongside teenage Mattyprice4004 were delightfully low, which was fun.

[Type R Tom]

vulture1 said:

Yes the conditions are terrible. 9am start, 11.00 break till 11.15 12.30 break till 13.30 finish at 1530
I make that 5hours 45 of work. If you added in 15:30-17:30for homework marking and prep time a pretty normal working day of nearly 8 hours.

I really hope I'm due a parrot because if not that comment is disgusting.

I'd love you to look my mate in the eye and say that after he gets home at 7pm on a Saturday night, having spent the day taking kids from deprived backgrounds, often from families with no male role models to Charlton home matches, all for 0 extra compensation.

I guess your come back will be, don't like it, quit.

[Rufus Stone]

Baggage handlers at Heathrow and staff working at National Highways now going on strike.

[vulture1]

Gecko1978 said:

I believe good starting pay is Aldi manager trainiee IIRC its 40k plus car straight out of uni, is it less stressful than being a nurse?

1st of all
Area manager trainee is 40k plus the car. Not store manager

And no it is not less stressful. Adifferent type of responsibility and stress.

[vulture1]

Type R Tom said:

vulture1 said:

Yes the conditions are terrible. 9am start, 11.00 break till 11.15 12.30 break till 13.30 finish at 1530
I make that 5hours 45 of work. If you added in 15:30-17:30for homework marking and prep time a pretty normal working day of nearly 8 hours.

I really hope I'm due a parrot because if not that comment is disgusting.

I'd love you to look my mate in the eye and say that after he gets home at 7pm on a Saturday night, having spent the day taking kids from deprived backgrounds, often from families with no male role models to Charlton home matches, all for 0 extra compensation.

I guess your come back will be, don't like it, quit.

How is doing an extra thing part of the job. 99% of teachers don't do that. Literally changing the parameters of the discussion.

[irc]

vulture1 said:

How is doing an extra thing part of the job. 99% of teachers don't do that. Literally changing the parameters of the discussion.

Correct. My sister was a teacher. Never worked weekends

[Type R Tom]

vulture1 said:

Type R Tom said:

vulture1 said:

Yes the conditions are terrible. 9am start, 11.00 break till 11.15 12.30 break till 13.30 finish at 1530
I make that 5hours 45 of work. If you added in 15:30-17:30for homework marking and prep time a pretty normal working day of nearly 8 hours.

I really hope I'm due a parrot because if not that comment is disgusting.

I'd love you to look my mate in the eye and say that after he gets home at 7pm on a Saturday night, having spent the day taking kids from deprived backgrounds, often from families with no male role models to Charlton home matches, all for 0 extra compensation.

I guess your come back will be, don't like it, quit.

How is doing an extra thing part of the job. 99% of teachers don't do that. Literally changing the parameters of the discussion.

Because unfortunately, in this society we need people who are willing to do extra or it would all fall apart but reading comments like that (which I hope you know isn't true) could make people think, "whats the point" and we know who would suffer.

What do you gain by lying?

[Type R Tom]

irc said:

vulture1 said:

How is doing an extra thing part of the job. 99% of teachers don't do that. Literally changing the parameters of the discussion.

Correct. My sister was a teacher. Never worked weekends

Is this a good representation of your sisters day?

vulture1 said:

Yes the conditions are terrible. 9am start, 11.00 break till 11.15 12.30 break till 13.30 finish at 1530
I make that 5hours 45 of work. If you added in 15:30-17:30for homework marking and prep time a pretty normal working day of nearly 8 hours.

[ChocolateFrog]

vulture1 said:

Glasgowrob said:

pork911 said:

really?

top of band 5/start of band 6 you could make more as an assitant manager in mcdonalds

A quick google search says mcdonalds assistant manager 22-23k and a band 5 nurse 32-35k

Having been an assistant manager at Maccys in the dim and distant past I did laugh at that one.

What's a band 6? 40k

Edited by ChocolateFrog on Friday 2nd December 21:04

[ChocolateFrog]

Gecko1978 said:

I believe good starting pay is Aldi manager trainiee IIRC its 40k plus car straight out of uni, is it less stressful than being a nurse?

It's a st job.

A couple of my Army mates went into Aldi's program and left pretty soon after.

IIRC it's quite a bit more than 40k, nearer 50 now I think.

[Evanivitch]

vulture1 said:

Type R Tom said:

vulture1 said:

Yes the conditions are terrible. 9am start, 11.00 break till 11.15 12.30 break till 13.30 finish at 1530
I make that 5hours 45 of work. If you added in 15:30-17:30for homework marking and prep time a pretty normal working day of nearly 8 hours.

I really hope I'm due a parrot because if not that comment is disgusting.

I'd love you to look my mate in the eye and say that after he gets home at 7pm on a Saturday night, having spent the day taking kids from deprived backgrounds, often from families with no male role models to Charlton home matches, all for 0 extra compensation.

I guess your come back will be, don't like it, quit.

How is doing an extra thing part of the job. 99% of teachers don't do that. Literally changing the parameters of the discussion.

Except you need more than 2 hours to do planning and marking in most subjects.

Obviously it's an easy job with easy pay, because the retention rate is so appalling...

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/apr/11/...