Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 4)
Discussion
Vasco said:
You only have to look at this thread to see the high volume of those clearly still upset at not getting their own way.
Sulkers are never going to willingly contribute much of use, they're too busy thinking that they've been hard done by. Some probably need to mature a bit as they seem like those children who get wild when someone says 'No' - and they've never had to cope with that before.
Pitiful.
You're making that common mistake of believing that PH is somehow representative of the country as a whole, it really isn't. Notwithstanding that point, where are these 'sulkers' and how do you actually count their number, let alone conduct your psychoanalysis with such confidence? I am guessing 'sulker' is a euphemism for 'remainer', those people who voted to remain and are responsible for the mess we are in, have a word with yourself. Sulkers are never going to willingly contribute much of use, they're too busy thinking that they've been hard done by. Some probably need to mature a bit as they seem like those children who get wild when someone says 'No' - and they've never had to cope with that before.
Pitiful.
F1GTRUeno said:
Vasco said:
I didn't mention HMG.
Perhaps you should because the average person on the street can't do anything to affect it one way or another.I fail to see why businesses, large or small, can't be at least trying to contribute. Why does everyone expect HMG, or 'anybody but them' to do everything. Have people forgotten how to do things for themselves?. When did we become a Nanny State?
Vasco said:
......but I didn't, that's your input not mine!
I fail to see why businesses, large or small, can't be at least trying to contribute. Why does everyone expect HMG, or 'anybody but them' to do everything. Have people forgotten how to do things for themselves?. When did we become a Nanny State?
ImmigrationI fail to see why businesses, large or small, can't be at least trying to contribute. Why does everyone expect HMG, or 'anybody but them' to do everything. Have people forgotten how to do things for themselves?. When did we become a Nanny State?
Customs
Border controls
Standards
"just do it for themselves"
Unicorns and cake it is.
M.
Vasco said:
HM-2 said:
Yet more ad hominems instead of actual arguments. Almost like you can't contribute anything of value or worth, isn't it?
I was explaining why too little is happening. Sorry if you couldn't understand.Did half the country down tools and stop being productive when we voted to leave the EU? No. Did remainers set in motion the policy decisions that wiped billions off the UK economy in pursuit of neoliberal idealism that literal children would know was unworkable? No. Was it remainers who signed several dreadfully one sided trade deals that gained the UK almost nothing but let the claim that they'd "succeeded? No.
Brexiteers will blame anyone to avoid accepting any degree of responsibility for the negative outcomes of Brexit and the policy decisions that have followed it. It's laughably silly. Businesses just need to "try harder"?
The ones I work with are trying plenty hard to deal with the mess this government has created. Edited by HM-2 on Tuesday 24th January 18:32
Blue62 said:
Vasco said:
You only have to look at this thread to see the high volume of those clearly still upset at not getting their own way.
Sulkers are never going to willingly contribute much of use, they're too busy thinking that they've been hard done by. Some probably need to mature a bit as they seem like those children who get wild when someone says 'No' - and they've never had to cope with that before.
Pitiful.
You're making that common mistake of believing that PH is somehow representative of the country as a whole, it really isn't. Notwithstanding that point, where are these 'sulkers' and how do you actually count their number, let alone conduct your psychoanalysis with such confidence? I am guessing 'sulker' is a euphemism for 'remainer', those people who voted to remain and are responsible for the mess we are in, have a word with yourself. Sulkers are never going to willingly contribute much of use, they're too busy thinking that they've been hard done by. Some probably need to mature a bit as they seem like those children who get wild when someone says 'No' - and they've never had to cope with that before.
Pitiful.
Vasco said:
How else would you explain those on this thread who never stop moaning about the Brexit vote?
Compelling evidence that you've not read the thread there 
basically the only people who ever talk about the brexit vote itself are brexiteers. Vasco said:
there's very few who were mature enough to accept the legal result
Point to a single individual whose "refused" to accept the result of the vote. One. It's a fantasy on your part that illustrated how ridiculously divorced from reality everything you believe is.
I think these various responses only serve to confirm what many have thought all along. A refusal to accept that a Big Sulk is behind a lot of the current issues, and hardly helping anybody who is attempting to make progress.
Oh well, I guess that we'll just plod on - slower than it could have been if we all had worked together properly.
Oh well, I guess that we'll just plod on - slower than it could have been if we all had worked together properly.
Vasco said:
I think these various responses only serve to confirm what many have thought all along.
That millitant brexiteers habitually blame others for their complete lack of ideas or basic competence? So aptly demonstrated. Vasco said:
A refusal to accept that a Big Sulk is behind a lot of the current issues
Point to a single issue that you believe is caused by the, as you call it, "big sulk" and explain why. Vasco said:
and hardly helping anybody who is attempting to make progress.
What constitutes "progress"? What do you think businesses should be doing to achieve it? You seem either unwilling or unable to expand on your rhetoric with anything tangible or meaningful. There seems to be this absurd fantasy amongst many brexiteers that business owners would rather their life's work went bust than change to adapt to our current circumstances. This view is so divorced from the reality of the business world that I can only presume that these people have never even interacted with a business.
Edited by HM-2 on Tuesday 24th January 19:02
Mortarboard said:
crankedup5 said:
The purchase of raw materials over a short time frame, you suggest is stagnating, has absolutely nothing to do with sector growth. Massive multi million pounds infrastructure expansions within these sectors also support the notion of rapid expansion. The sectors are attracting huge investments for good reason, and that investment is not only going into the infrastructure but most importantly into R&D.
Sorry cranked. They're stagnating. Raws purchasing has tanked.Million pound expansions are small beans in this industry. Large expansions are multi-billion per facility. Pfizers expansion in grange castle (note, extension of existing facility, not a new one) is $1.2 billion
Intels new German fab is 17 billion euro.
If you have news of similar UK operations announced, by all means I'd love to hear them.
M.
I’m not interested in what the EU zone is doing in context of this thread, as we have been told repeatedly by the anti brexit group to stop comparing us to the EU.
Did you have a look at the link I provided a page or two back regarding the issues. Of those numbers do not represent rapid growth we may as well all pack up and give up.
Have a quick look at AstraZenica and their new head office in Cambridge which has just opened and is part of their expansion plans. They are not investing into a new head office here for fun.
Honestly it’s depressing reading anti brexit posts which are determined not to recognise good U.K. positive news.
Vasco said:
I'm pretty sure that 'sulking' = Remainer. How else would you explain those on this thread who never stop moaning about the Brexit vote? - there's very few who were mature enough to accept the legal result and get on with adjusting their work/attitude accordingly.
Do you have any idea of how ridiculous that sounds? You continue to think that this thread sums up the feeling in the U.K. and even more bizarrely you draw conclusions from it. How on earth you feel emboldened to talk about maturity is beyond me, your posts are juvenile in the extreme. Blue62 said:
Vasco said:
I'm pretty sure that 'sulking' = Remainer. How else would you explain those on this thread who never stop moaning about the Brexit vote? - there's very few who were mature enough to accept the legal result and get on with adjusting their work/attitude accordingly.
Do you have any idea of how ridiculous that sounds? You continue to think that this thread sums up the feeling in the U.K. and even more bizarrely you draw conclusions from it. How on earth you feel emboldened to talk about maturity is beyond me, your posts are juvenile in the extreme. Despite having a wide range of political views in work colleagues and an equally diverse set of views in relatives and close friends, this thread is the only place where, currently, the brexit sulk-whine continuum is evident. How moving on can be such a drawn-out impossibility for some is remarkable.
Apart from a generally more positive disposition across both groups, there are more pressing issues for people who aren't so obsessed with brexit.
turbobloke said:
Do you have any idea of how ridiculous it sounds to suggest it's ridiculous? Then add irony to the mix?
IMO, what's "ridiculous" here is you trying to shut down the dissenting views of anyone who actually wants to contribute stuff in line with the thread title, with a trail of thinly veiled ad hominems and nauseating repetition of trite Brexiteer catch phrases every five minutes. We get it- you don't want people to express Brexit related views you don't agree with. You've made that very clear. Which begs the question, why are you posting in a topic entitled "Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 4)" only to complain about people voicing their perspectives on whether Brexit was "worth it"? Would you go to a football match and loudly whine to anyone who'll listen about how you don't want to see some overpaid blokes kick a ball around a field? There's a simple answer to your problem here- if you don't want to hear people, as you describe it, "sulk-whine about Brexit" (not that that's what's actually happening here), then would it not be easier just to...not frequent this thread?
You pretty much single-handedly ruined any and all pretence of reasonable discussion on the last iteration of this thread, and it's pretty clear that for Volume 4 you've adopted the approach of trying to drag everyone down to your paint-by-numbers-Brexiteer-catchphrase level and bludgeoning them around the head with finely honed experience.
turbobloke said:
Do you have any idea of how ridiculous it sounds to suggest it's ridiculous? Then add irony to the mix?
Despite having a wide range of political views in work colleagues and an equally diverse set of views in relatives and close friends, this thread is the only place where, currently, the brexit sulk-whine continuum is evident. How moving on can be such a drawn-out impossibility for some is remarkable.
Apart from a generally more positive disposition across both groups, there are more pressing issues for people who aren't so obsessed with brexit.
How off kilter can you be TB, obsessed with Brexit! Despite having a wide range of political views in work colleagues and an equally diverse set of views in relatives and close friends, this thread is the only place where, currently, the brexit sulk-whine continuum is evident. How moving on can be such a drawn-out impossibility for some is remarkable.
Apart from a generally more positive disposition across both groups, there are more pressing issues for people who aren't so obsessed with brexit.
Blue62 said:
turbobloke said:
Do you have any idea of how ridiculous it sounds to suggest it's ridiculous? Then add irony to the mix?
Despite having a wide range of political views in work colleagues and an equally diverse set of views in relatives and close friends, this thread is the only place where, currently, the brexit sulk-whine continuum is evident. How moving on can be such a drawn-out impossibility for some is remarkable.
Apart from a generally more positive disposition across both groups, there are more pressing issues for people who aren't so obsessed with brexit.
How off kilter can you be TB, obsessed with Brexit! Despite having a wide range of political views in work colleagues and an equally diverse set of views in relatives and close friends, this thread is the only place where, currently, the brexit sulk-whine continuum is evident. How moving on can be such a drawn-out impossibility for some is remarkable.
Apart from a generally more positive disposition across both groups, there are more pressing issues for people who aren't so obsessed with brexit.
Blue62 said:
turbobloke said:
Do you have any idea of how ridiculous it sounds to suggest it's ridiculous? Then add irony to the mix?
Despite having a wide range of political views in work colleagues and an equally diverse set of views in relatives and close friends, this thread is the only place where, currently, the brexit sulk-whine continuum is evident. How moving on can be such a drawn-out impossibility for some is remarkable.
Apart from a generally more positive disposition across both groups, there are more pressing issues for people who aren't so obsessed with brexit.
How off kilter can you be TB, obsessed with Brexit! Despite having a wide range of political views in work colleagues and an equally diverse set of views in relatives and close friends, this thread is the only place where, currently, the brexit sulk-whine continuum is evident. How moving on can be such a drawn-out impossibility for some is remarkable.
Apart from a generally more positive disposition across both groups, there are more pressing issues for people who aren't so obsessed with brexit.
I wasn't accusing you of being obsessed, certainly not on the basis of this PH thread. My total posts in the previous Vol of this thread are some way below HM-2 and Mortarboard. The sulk-whine contributions in that mammoth moanfest are like a car crash, unpleasant/unappealing but difficult to ignore all the same.
turbobloke said:
When I mentioned irony it wasn't an invitation to add more...I'm not in the least obsessed. In the PH referendum exit poll thread one of my contributions close to the vote was to indicate my first action whatever the outcome of the vote - namely, make another cup of tea.
I wasn't accusing you of being obsessed, certainly not on the basis of this PH thread. My total posts in the previous Vol of this thread are some way below HM-2 and Mortarboard. The sulk-whine contributions in that mammoth moanfest are like a car crash, unpleasant/unappealing but difficult to ignore all the same.
Well here's a thought TB, if you're not obsessed and want to move on then stop commenting in this thread? You're helping just as much as the rest of us. Cheerio, enjoy the sunlit uplands n'all that xI wasn't accusing you of being obsessed, certainly not on the basis of this PH thread. My total posts in the previous Vol of this thread are some way below HM-2 and Mortarboard. The sulk-whine contributions in that mammoth moanfest are like a car crash, unpleasant/unappealing but difficult to ignore all the same.
Vasco said:
......but I didn't, that's your input not mine!
I fail to see why businesses, large or small, can't be at least trying to contribute. Why does everyone expect HMG, or 'anybody but them' to do everything. Have people forgotten how to do things for themselves?. When did we become a Nanny State?
Why should private businesses/individuals do things that a well run government should be able to do themselves? Relying on any private entity to provide services a government should is never a good idea.I fail to see why businesses, large or small, can't be at least trying to contribute. Why does everyone expect HMG, or 'anybody but them' to do everything. Have people forgotten how to do things for themselves?. When did we become a Nanny State?
Vasco said:
I'm pretty sure that 'sulking' = Remainer. How else would you explain those on this thread who never stop moaning about the Brexit vote? - there's very few who were mature enough to accept the legal result and get on with adjusting their work/attitude accordingly.
It's funny because of the people in my orbit that I know voted on either side, it's not the remainers that are currently the unhappiest and most unwilling to talk about how Brexit is going.Edited by F1GTRUeno on Tuesday 24th January 21:23
Edited by F1GTRUeno on Tuesday 24th January 21:25
F1GTRUeno said:
turbobloke said:
When I mentioned irony it wasn't an invitation to add more...I'm not in the least obsessed. In the PH referendum exit poll thread one of my contributions close to the vote was to indicate my first action whatever the outcome of the vote - namely, make another cup of tea.
I wasn't accusing you of being obsessed, certainly not on the basis of this PH thread. My total posts in the previous Vol of this thread are some way below HM-2 and Mortarboard. The sulk-whine contributions in that mammoth moanfest are like a car crash, unpleasant/unappealing but difficult to ignore all the same.
Well here's a thought TB, if you're not obsessed and want to move on then stop commenting in this thread? You're helping just as much as the rest of us. Cheerio, enjoy the sunlit uplands n'all that xI wasn't accusing you of being obsessed, certainly not on the basis of this PH thread. My total posts in the previous Vol of this thread are some way below HM-2 and Mortarboard. The sulk-whine contributions in that mammoth moanfest are like a car crash, unpleasant/unappealing but difficult to ignore all the same.
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