Prince Andrew US civil sexual assault case
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La Liga said:
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BV - side note. I was with an ex-colleague who is now a firearms commander. He was looking through everything to do with Mark Saunders as a case study. Did you represent the IPCC in that case?
Yes at the start of the case, but then I went off to a public inquiry about something else, and a colleague took over on Saunders. I watched the video of Saunders just before the fatal shooting 100 times and still could not figure out if he was making an aggressive move or just slumping about drunk. Did you know that Ali Dizaei was Gold Commander on that one? I met Dizaei on another case. Very interesting bloke. I worked for the IPCC on the Harry Stanley case. The table leg in the plastic bag really did look like a sawn off shotgun, but the two officers ignored all their training and should have been done for gross negligence IMO. OK, that is enough Derek for one day. Sorry, Derek! I love you and I love your stories! BV - side note. I was with an ex-colleague who is now a firearms commander. He was looking through everything to do with Mark Saunders as a case study. Did you represent the IPCC in that case?
I’m not a fan of the Royal Family, or this Pratt. However, a cornerstone of the British legal system is innocent until proven guilty, and that’s the way l like it..
Compare this with our friends across the pond, where litigation may reap you great financial reward. Therefore, they think suing a prince will get good financial recompense, without understanding our legal system.
I guess in the USA, he would be considered a “B list celebrity” not much will come of this!
Compare this with our friends across the pond, where litigation may reap you great financial reward. Therefore, they think suing a prince will get good financial recompense, without understanding our legal system.
I guess in the USA, he would be considered a “B list celebrity” not much will come of this!
Breadvan72 said:
Did you know that Ali Dizaei was Gold Commander on that one? I met Dizaei on another case. Very interesting bloke.
I read he was, yes. I hope you didn't meet him in a restaurant
Breadvan72 said:
I worked for the IPCC on the Harry Stanley case. The table leg in the plastic bag really did look like a sawn off shotgun, but the two officers ignored all their training and should have been done for gross negligence IMO. OK, that is enough Derek for one day.
Interesting. I seem to remember that one lasting a long time before it was concluded. Stay in Bed Instead said:
Why do you feel the need to make it personal?
The Law is the arbiter. Everything else comes under personal morals and attitudes.
At the time of the alleged offence Epstein had not been convicted of anything. We do not know if Andrew had any knowledge of what he was up to.
Do you have daughters? The Law is the arbiter. Everything else comes under personal morals and attitudes.
At the time of the alleged offence Epstein had not been convicted of anything. We do not know if Andrew had any knowledge of what he was up to.
Why are you so convinced he is innocent?
La Liga, I walked from a hotel in Manchester to a rather bad Greek restaurant with Mr D. His needlessly aggressive and officious response to a homeless man who asked us for change made me realise that he was no good. Bright bloke. Allegedly a good thief taker in his day. Handled the Saunders thing well, it seems. Very badly flawed and dodgy dude.
Stanley case went on for aaaaages. Not a great payer as Treasury panel rates were fixed in the 1990s and are still at the same level in 2019. The Government pays silly money for management consultants and other such things, but it gets its police officers, soldiers, doctors, teachers, and even lawyers for buttons. Relative buttons and in some cases actual buttons.
Back on thread: Royals are expensive. They should be better value for money.
Stanley case went on for aaaaages. Not a great payer as Treasury panel rates were fixed in the 1990s and are still at the same level in 2019. The Government pays silly money for management consultants and other such things, but it gets its police officers, soldiers, doctors, teachers, and even lawyers for buttons. Relative buttons and in some cases actual buttons.
Back on thread: Royals are expensive. They should be better value for money.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 17th November 16:28
This thread is raising some interesting and highly challenging situations - I’m struggling to see how PH mods can risk keeping this going vs the risk of litigation.
Individuals too some are posting some very bold things - you must be aware PH would have to supply any investigators your real IP address.
Defamation of character isn’t to be taken lightly.
Individuals too some are posting some very bold things - you must be aware PH would have to supply any investigators your real IP address.
Defamation of character isn’t to be taken lightly.
Welshbeef said:
This thread is raising some interesting and highly challenging situations - I’m struggling to see how PH mods can risk keeping this going vs the risk of litigation.
Individuals too some are posting some very bold things - you must be aware PH would have to supply any investigators your real IP address.
Defamation of character isn’t to be taken lightly.
You need to read up on the law Individuals too some are posting some very bold things - you must be aware PH would have to supply any investigators your real IP address.
Defamation of character isn’t to be taken lightly.
yonex said:
I didn’t think so. If you did, you would likely understand why abuse of this nature, by powerful individuals is seen as so abhorrent to most.
Why do you feel you need to find an excuse for someone having a different opinion to yourself? Do you think it somehow validate your opinion?Andrew has been convicted of nothing.
Andrew has been charged with nothing.
Is there even a police force investigating his conduct?
Stay in Bed Instead said:
yonex said:
I didn’t think so. If you did, you would likely understand why abuse of this nature, by powerful individuals is seen as so abhorrent to most.
Why do you feel you need to find an excuse for someone having a different opinion to yourself? Do you think it somehow validate your opinion?Andrew has been convicted of nothing.
Andrew has been charged with nothing.
Is there even a police force investigating his conduct?
Who in their right mind would volunteer for an interview relating to serious offences, when they hadn't even spoken to the police in a formal capacity?
That being said - at best it leaves a lingering smell of wrong un about him. But I don't think anyone could say within all reasonable doubt he was guilty of anything after that interview.
As an aside - as someone who has been interviewed under caution - in a similar(ish) way to the Prince dude... It's not fun and no matter what you say the person asking the questions will want to put a spin on things. He may be guilty - he may not be. But he should have the ability to have all the evidence outlined without us all writing him off as a pervert.
That being said - at best it leaves a lingering smell of wrong un about him. But I don't think anyone could say within all reasonable doubt he was guilty of anything after that interview.
As an aside - as someone who has been interviewed under caution - in a similar(ish) way to the Prince dude... It's not fun and no matter what you say the person asking the questions will want to put a spin on things. He may be guilty - he may not be. But he should have the ability to have all the evidence outlined without us all writing him off as a pervert.
TTmonkey said:
I would point out that taking your 10 year old daughter out for pizza party in the early evening doesn’t stop you going to tramp nightclub with some squeeze later in the evening. I seem to remember nightclubs being pretty empty and soulless before about 11.30.
This is a very good pointI’ve not read all 52 pages but has anyone mentioned that photo of him coming out of a club and you can clearly see from his eyes he’s as high as a kite (allegedly😀). Had clearly been up to no good.
Just adding this side of him into the mix.
yonex said:
Welshbeef said:
This thread is raising some interesting and highly challenging situations - I’m struggling to see how PH mods can risk keeping this going vs the risk of litigation.
Individuals too some are posting some very bold things - you must be aware PH would have to supply any investigators your real IP address.
Defamation of character isn’t to be taken lightly.
You need to read up on the law Individuals too some are posting some very bold things - you must be aware PH would have to supply any investigators your real IP address.
Defamation of character isn’t to be taken lightly.
Welshbeef said:
This thread is raising some interesting and highly challenging situations - I’m struggling to see how PH mods can risk keeping this going vs the risk of litigation.
Individuals too some are posting some very bold things - you must be aware PH would have to supply any investigators your real IP address.
Defamation of character isn’t to be taken lightly.
Eh?Individuals too some are posting some very bold things - you must be aware PH would have to supply any investigators your real IP address.
Defamation of character isn’t to be taken lightly.
We’re commenting on an interview that he voluntarily agreed to (against professional advice by all accounts) and where he performed badly and ended up in a position where instead of putting the matter to bed, he now has more questions to answer. No different to many threads on here involving people in the public eye.
But hey, must doff that cap, eh?
Randy Winkman said:
Perhaps he isn't guilty of any crime. I do find it very distasteful for anyone to suggest that the only legal issue here is that of the age of consent.
Rather relevant though if some are accusing him of being a paedophile, for allegedly sleeping with a girl one year older than the British age of consent. valiant said:
Eh?
We’re commenting on an interview that he voluntarily agreed to (against professional advice by all accounts) and where he performed badly and ended up in a position where instead of putting the matter to bed, he now has more questions to answer. No different to many threads on here involving people in the public eye.
But hey, must doff that cap, eh?
Its 2019 .Most of us can be anywhere in the world ISP wise . And second , we don’t care !We’re commenting on an interview that he voluntarily agreed to (against professional advice by all accounts) and where he performed badly and ended up in a position where instead of putting the matter to bed, he now has more questions to answer. No different to many threads on here involving people in the public eye.
But hey, must doff that cap, eh?
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