BBC Womens pay gap
Discussion
xjay1337 said:
Why the f
k would the BBC cut male pay rather than increase Female pay?
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Organisations don't have infinite resources to suddenly start paying their female employees over the market rate for their roles.k would the BBC cut male pay rather than increase Female pay?.
The BBC have decided to close their "on air" pay gap by reducing pay for many male presenters and accepting the loss of any who wont accept it.
JagLover said:
xjay1337 said:
Why the fk would the BBC cut male pay rather than increase Female pay?
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Organisations don't have infinite resources to suddenly start paying their female employees over the market rate for their roles.k would the BBC cut male pay rather than increase Female pay?.
The BBC have decided to close their "on air" pay gap by reducing pay for many male presenters and accepting the loss of any who wont accept it.
Organisations who do not operate the BBC business model have more impact on market rates than the former.
Your second point is completely correct. History is littered with those that thought the grass was greener though.
Donbot said:
The BBC is going to disappear up its own ahole if it continues down this route of virtue signalling and identity politics.
This is a PR problem for all companies not just the BBC.hole if it continues down this route of virtue signalling and identity politics.The BBC case merely illustrates that the way companies will deal with it is not necessarily to start automatically paying women more.
JagLover said:
Donbot said:
The BBC is going to disappear up its own ahole if it continues down this route of virtue signalling and identity politics.
This is a PR problem for all companies not just the BBC.hole if it continues down this route of virtue signalling and identity politics.The BBC case merely illustrates that the way companies will deal with it is not necessarily to start automatically paying women more.
The BBC is rapidly becoming an irrelevance. It needs to reinvent itself properly, without the traditional license payers' funds, or it will die.
Murph7355 said:
JagLover said:
Donbot said:
The BBC is going to disappear up its own ahole if it continues down this route of virtue signalling and identity politics.
This is a PR problem for all companies not just the BBC.hole if it continues down this route of virtue signalling and identity politics.The BBC case merely illustrates that the way companies will deal with it is not necessarily to start automatically paying women more.
The BBC is rapidly becoming an irrelevance. It needs to reinvent itself properly, without the traditional license payers' funds, or it will die.
Edited by Donbot on Monday 2nd July 14:52
Bullett said:
Although I notice that JV has reduced his salary by doing less work....
And that is all these reports are about. Gender Pay Gap is simply about levelling pay within a company.
They could take on 10000 men doing a 4 hour week at £9 an hour to get the same result.
Why are some female 'on air' presenters paid more than other female 'on air' presenters?
We are living in a world where true communism is what everyone is crying out for.
Why don't we have a vote on it?
Let's see how many of these female presenters crying out for a true 'one pay for all' really want than outcome.
I wonder what the wage would be if everyone at the BBC was paid the same?
BBC spent just over a billion £ last year on wages.
There are 43,000 people working at the BBC so that equates to what? £24k each.
Let them vote on that, a true level wage for all.
gizlaroc said:
Bullett said:
Although I notice that JV has reduced his salary by doing less work....
And that is all these reports are about. Gender Pay Gap is simply about levelling pay within a company.
They could take on 10000 men doing a 4 hour week at £9 an hour to get the same result.
Why are some female 'on air' presenters paid more than other female 'on air' presenters?
We are living in a world where true communism is what everyone is crying out for.
Why don't we have a vote on it?
Let's see how many of these female presenters crying out for a true 'one pay for all' really want than outcome.
I wonder what the wage would be if everyone at the BBC was paid the same?
BBC spent just over a billion £ last year on wages.
There are 43,000 people working at the BBC so that equates to what? £24k each.
Let them vote on that, a true level wage for all.
JagLover said:
The BBC case merely illustrates that the way companies will deal with it is not necessarily to start automatically paying women more.
And the really idiotic thing is - women themselves are likely to lose out if companies join the race to the bottom.How many women have male partners who also earn. I don't know how others do it - but me and my wife earn money as a unit. We have both made compromises over the years so one or the other could maximise their earning potential or make a career jump.
If I had to take a cut in pay due to a gender pay equality drive - my wife would also lose out as our household income would drop.
Who really wins out of all of this. Most people in our society are paid the same (within reason) for the same job. It's only those tiny few at the very top where this disparity seems to be significant - and in these cases, what people are paid is mostly down to their perceived worth in terms of box office takings, viewing figures etc - as opposed to being paid £x per hour for doing a pretty standardised job.
I don’t know if it was mentioned further up, but Simpson,s paradox often pops up when you look at the statistics on gender pay gaps;
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simpson%27s_parado...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simpson%27s_parado...
Russian Troll Bot said:
Given that their wages come from the taxpayer, maybe we should get a vote on it?
I reckon 10k absolute max since the only reason I have ever heard of her is her crybaby whingeing. I’ve hard of JihnSimpson and could even pick him out in a line up so 40k for him. Moonhawk said:
And the really idiotic thing is - women themselves are likely to lose out if companies join the race to the bottom.
How many women have male partners who also earn. I don't know how others do it - but me and my wife earn money as a unit. We have both made compromises over the years so one or the other could maximise their earning potential or make a career jump.
If I had to take a cut in pay due to a gender pay equality drive - my wife would also lose out as our household income would drop.
Who really wins out of all of this. Most people in our society are paid the same (within reason) for the same job. It's only those tiny few at the very top where this disparity seems to be significant - and in these cases, what people are paid is mostly down to their perceived worth in terms of box office takings, viewing figures etc - as opposed to being paid £x per hour for doing a pretty standardised job.
Your post is too simplistic. How many women have male partners who also earn. I don't know how others do it - but me and my wife earn money as a unit. We have both made compromises over the years so one or the other could maximise their earning potential or make a career jump.
If I had to take a cut in pay due to a gender pay equality drive - my wife would also lose out as our household income would drop.
Who really wins out of all of this. Most people in our society are paid the same (within reason) for the same job. It's only those tiny few at the very top where this disparity seems to be significant - and in these cases, what people are paid is mostly down to their perceived worth in terms of box office takings, viewing figures etc - as opposed to being paid £x per hour for doing a pretty standardised job.
If there were indeed a “gender pay equality drive” this would also apply to your wife’s position. The potential hike in her pay could more than compensate for any loss in your pay. Und so weiter.......
BBC top earners....
£2,200,000-2,249,999. Chris Evans, Presenter.
£1,750,000 - £1,799,999. Gary Lineker, Presenter.
£850,000-899,999. Graham Norton, Presenter.
£700,000-749,999. Jeremy Vine, Presenter.
All presenters, all earning different amounts, why such a huge pay gap?
F**k all to do with gender.
£2,200,000-2,249,999. Chris Evans, Presenter.
£1,750,000 - £1,799,999. Gary Lineker, Presenter.
£850,000-899,999. Graham Norton, Presenter.
£700,000-749,999. Jeremy Vine, Presenter.
All presenters, all earning different amounts, why such a huge pay gap?
F**k all to do with gender.
Jockman said:
Moonhawk said:
And the really idiotic thing is - women themselves are likely to lose out if companies join the race to the bottom.
How many women have male partners who also earn. I don't know how others do it - but me and my wife earn money as a unit. We have both made compromises over the years so one or the other could maximise their earning potential or make a career jump.
If I had to take a cut in pay due to a gender pay equality drive - my wife would also lose out as our household income would drop.
Who really wins out of all of this. Most people in our society are paid the same (within reason) for the same job. It's only those tiny few at the very top where this disparity seems to be significant - and in these cases, what people are paid is mostly down to their perceived worth in terms of box office takings, viewing figures etc - as opposed to being paid £x per hour for doing a pretty standardised job.
Your post is too simplistic. How many women have male partners who also earn. I don't know how others do it - but me and my wife earn money as a unit. We have both made compromises over the years so one or the other could maximise their earning potential or make a career jump.
If I had to take a cut in pay due to a gender pay equality drive - my wife would also lose out as our household income would drop.
Who really wins out of all of this. Most people in our society are paid the same (within reason) for the same job. It's only those tiny few at the very top where this disparity seems to be significant - and in these cases, what people are paid is mostly down to their perceived worth in terms of box office takings, viewing figures etc - as opposed to being paid £x per hour for doing a pretty standardised job.
If there were indeed a “gender pay equality drive” this would also apply to your wife’s position. The potential hike in her pay could more than compensate for any loss in your pay. Und so weiter.......
What is more likely is rapid promotion schemes for younger female employees and measures being taken to address the factors creating "gender pay gaps" within an organisation.
Those organisations which contracted out their reception staff are starting to look rather far sighted now and that is just the tip of the iceberg in terms of the measures that could be taken.
Moonhawk said:
Who really wins out of all of this. Most people in our society are paid the same (within reason) for the same job. It's only those tiny few at the very top where this disparity seems to be significant - and in these cases, what people are paid is mostly down to their perceived worth in terms of box office takings, viewing figures etc - as opposed to being paid £x per hour for doing a pretty standardised job.
Ask the government who wins. It was their idea after all to require a "gender pay gap" in raw data, unadjusted for roles performed within an organisation.There will be some winners, younger career driven women who will benefit from earlier promotion. There will likely to be as many, or more, women who lose out as large organisations seek to shed the large admin teams that are skewing their numbers. You don't even need to outsource, merely embracing automation and a paperless office can shed many such roles.
Politically though it has served its purpose in associating May's Conservatives with "identity" victim politics.
gizlaroc said:
BBC top earners....
£2,200,000-2,249,999. Chris Evans, Presenter.
£1,750,000 - £1,799,999. Gary Lineker, Presenter.
£850,000-899,999. Graham Norton, Presenter.
£700,000-749,999. Jeremy Vine, Presenter.
All presenters, all earning different amounts, why such a huge pay gap?
F**k all to do with gender.
Terrible waste of taxpayers’ cash. £2,200,000-2,249,999. Chris Evans, Presenter.
£1,750,000 - £1,799,999. Gary Lineker, Presenter.
£850,000-899,999. Graham Norton, Presenter.
£700,000-749,999. Jeremy Vine, Presenter.
All presenters, all earning different amounts, why such a huge pay gap?
F**k all to do with gender.
Jockman said:
Your post is too simplistic.
If there were indeed a “gender pay equality drive” this would also apply to your wife’s position. The potential hike in her pay could more than compensate for any loss in your pay. Und so weiter.......
But I was talking specifically in the context of men's pay being reduced to drive "equality" as opposed to women's pay being increased.If there were indeed a “gender pay equality drive” this would also apply to your wife’s position. The potential hike in her pay could more than compensate for any loss in your pay. Und so weiter.......
Camoradi said:
I'm looking forward to the studies of who gets to spend the earnings in the average household. Being the biggest income earner isn't where the fun is at
There is no context around the 'pay gap' either.The gender pay gap as measured assumes all else is equal - but we know this isn't the case.
Why should people who work longer hours, commute further, travel more for work or work in dirtier/more dangerous jobs - not be paid more.
I have yet to see a valid argument why a gender pay gap (when measured in the way the current one has been) should not exist. Is anything going to be done to address these inequalities?
xjay1337 said:
Why the fk would the BBC cut male pay rather than increase Female pay?
That is assuming that the roles, experience, flexibility, working hours, difficulty or role etc between both male and female workers are identical.
fk, should I take a paycut to my Mrs salary of £18k a year ?
Idiots. Good on him for moving on.
It's clear from Mair's statements in the press that whatever motivated him to move on from the BBC it wasn't a paycut.k would the BBC cut male pay rather than increase Female pay?That is assuming that the roles, experience, flexibility, working hours, difficulty or role etc between both male and female workers are identical.
f
k, should I take a paycut to my Mrs salary of £18k a year ? Idiots. Good on him for moving on.
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