Is this the last tory government

[Hoink]

Chicken Chaser said:

Corbyn is so unelectable, I would imagine that people would still vote Tory just to keep him out. If Labour brought someone competent in, then they would clean up.

The danger is people who would normally vote Tory simply don't vote at all or vote for a Brexit party. I imagine Labour would pick up quite a few seats as a result.

[frisbee]

Hoink said:

The danger is people who would normally vote Tory simply don't vote at all or vote for a Brexit party. I imagine Labour would pick up quite a few seats as a result.

A lot of Remainers will be tactically voting to do the most damage to the Tories.

[p1stonhead]

frisbee said:

Hoink said:

The danger is people who would normally vote Tory simply don't vote at all or vote for a Brexit party. I imagine Labour would pick up quite a few seats as a result.

A lot of Remainers will be tactically voting to do the most damage to the Tories.

All that’ll do is let Corbyn in.

Our system pretty much guarantees it

[Hoink]

p1stonhead said:

frisbee said:

Hoink said:

The danger is people who would normally vote Tory simply don't vote at all or vote for a Brexit party. I imagine Labour would pick up quite a few seats as a result.

A lot of Remainers will be tactically voting to do the most damage to the Tories.

All that’ll do is let Corbyn in.

Our system pretty much guarantees it

And yet TM continues to make things worse with each day. It would cause less damage by simply going fully one way or the other; no deal or revoke article 50. At least that way approx 50% of the UK would, in theory, be happy.

[hidetheelephants]

The Li-ion King said:

I thought the same... though Comrade Corbyn cannot believe his luck as things get more desperate by the minute.

May's time is up, and her asking him for help (he will refuse, inducing an election) is the beginning of the end...

Corbyn's time as leader of the opposition has been punctuated by his unerring ability make the wrong choice, to step boldly into every pothole, blunder his way past anything that might be viewed as deft, apposite or pluralist and pick the tonedeaf, the narrowly sectarian and the obscurantist. It's feasible as long as he remains leader that even the tories as they are now could enter a GE and win it.

[powerstroke]

frisbee said:

Hoink said:

The danger is people who would normally vote Tory simply don't vote at all or vote for a Brexit party. I imagine Labour would pick up quite a few seats as a result.

A lot of Remainers will be tactically voting to do the most damage to the Tories.

A lot of leavers will also be voting tactically to do the most damage to the Tories
I seriously think only a no deal Proper brexit will save us from a Corbyn government ..

[p1stonhead]

Hoink said:

p1stonhead said:

frisbee said:

Hoink said:

The danger is people who would normally vote Tory simply don't vote at all or vote for a Brexit party. I imagine Labour would pick up quite a few seats as a result.

A lot of Remainers will be tactically voting to do the most damage to the Tories.

All that’ll do is let Corbyn in.

Our system pretty much guarantees it

And yet TM continues to make things worse with each day. It would cause less damage by simply going fully one way or the other; no deal or revoke article 50. At least that way approx 50% of the UK would, in theory, be happy.

Both are proper nuclear options. Anything in the middle is probably better all round. May not seem like it, but probably true. Compromise is the way of the world.

[NoNeed]

[The Li-ion King]

hidetheelephants said:

The Li-ion King said:

I thought the same... though Comrade Corbyn cannot believe his luck as things get more desperate by the minute.

May's time is up, and her asking him for help (he will refuse, inducing an election) is the beginning of the end...

Corbyn's time as leader of the opposition has been punctuated by his unerring ability make the wrong choice, to step boldly into every pothole, blunder his way past anything that might be viewed as deft, apposite or pluralist and pick the tonedeaf, the narrowly sectarian and the obscurantist. It's feasible as long as he remains leader that even the tories as they are now could enter a GE and win it.

Under a strong Labour Government, Councils such as Islington will be able to fill in the potholes, working closely with our contractors at Transport for London

Theresa May's problem is the Little Englanders... er I mean Brexiteers who even Cameron tried to appease when he lit the blue touch paper to this current chaos... both sides are mixed Remainers and Leave, so no matter who is behind the wheel, the problem will, erm Remain

[Fittster]

Chicken Chaser said:

Corbyn is so unelectable, I would imagine that people would still vote Tory just to keep him out. If Labour brought someone competent in, then they would clean up.

Because the days of Tony Blair are remember fondly by those across the political spectrum.

[don'tbesilly]

frisbee said:

Hoink said:

The danger is people who would normally vote Tory simply don't vote at all or vote for a Brexit party. I imagine Labour would pick up quite a few seats as a result.

A lot of Remainers will be tactically voting to do the most damage to the Tories.

That's your plan is it?
Teach the Tories a lesson by voting for Corbyn thinking it will make you feel better, whilst making you worse off financially and arguably more so than a 'no deal' Brexit.

Makes sense

[Fittster]

The Li-ion King said:

Under a strong Labour Government, Councils such as Islington will be able to fill in the potholes, working closely with our contractors at Transport for London

Theresa May's problem is the Little Englanders... er I mean Brexiteers who even Cameron tried to appease when he lit the blue touch paper to this current chaos... both sides are mixed Remainers and Leave, so no matter who is behind the wheel, the problem will, erm Remain

Do you please old people who vote but are dying off, or young people who don't vote but will around in the future. It's a difficult choice for any political party.

[djohnson]

powerstroke said:

frisbee said:

Hoink said:

The danger is people who would normally vote Tory simply don't vote at all or vote for a Brexit party. I imagine Labour would pick up quite a few seats as a result.

A lot of Remainers will be tactically voting to do the most damage to the Tories.

A lot of leavers will also be voting tactically to do the most damage to the Tories
I seriously think only a no deal Proper brexit will save us from a Corbyn government ..

I’m not so sure. A mid-term government, even one that’s doing ok, is often behind in the polls. This government is a shambles but for most of the past few months they’ve had a lead in the polls (ok they don’t today but it’s marginal). A competent moderate opposition would have had a massive lead in the polls. Corbyn’s personal rating is always very low and justifiably so, he and his front bench utterly lack credibility and gravitas. In a snap election caused by Brexit chaos that’s really only about which party had a Brexit policy you agree with, then roll a dice and we might end up with PM Corbyn (after which the next election, if there even is one, is a forgone conclusion).

However a week is a long time in politics and I believe that if we avoid a chaotic snap election and the Tories get the time to change leader then Corbyn has little chance. He was well short of a majority last time and that was with a yoof bribed with free tuition which now know to be a lie, a hopeless Tory leader and an exploding Tory manifesto. He’s damaged by his handling of issues in his party and Brexit. Not to mention that if you move to the extremes of UK politics you tend not to get elected.

[mondeoman]

NoNeed said:

We need a Muppet Party!

[hidetheelephants]

djohnson said:

I’m not so sure. A mid-term government, even one that’s doing ok, is often behind in the polls. This government is a shambles but for most of the past few months they’ve had a lead in the polls (ok they don’t today but it’s marginal). A competent moderate opposition would have had a massive lead in the polls. Corbyn’s personal rating is always very low and justifiably so, he and his front bench utterly lack credibility and gravitas. In a snap election caused by Brexit chaos that’s really only about which party had a Brexit policy you agree with, then roll a dice and we might end up with PM Corbyn (after which the next election, if there even is one, is a forgone conclusion).

However a week is a long time in politics and I believe that if we avoid a chaotic snap election and the Tories get the time to change leader then Corbyn has little chance. He was well short of a majority last time and that was with a yoof bribed with free tuition which now know to be a lie, a hopeless Tory leader and an exploding Tory manifesto. He’s damaged by his handling of issues in his party and Brexit. Not to mention that if you move to the extremes of UK politics you tend not to get elected.

It looks possible to this armchair psephologist; whatever the actual hazard presented by no-deal the cacophony of Private Frazers going 'DOOM!' will have coloured the thinking of the electorate, added to May's repeated blundering into self-laid traps mean that any subsequent tory leader who demonstrates even a whiff of competency with perhaps John Major levels of charisma will appear god-like, particularly compared to Corbyn. This halo effect might easily carry them to another term, even with a UKIP resurgence.

[TTmonkey]

Fittster said:

Do you please old people who vote but are dying off, or young people who don't vote but will around in the future. It's a difficult choice for any political party.

Do you not think the utter fkup of the last three years has done one thing, it’s taught the young that if they don’t vote bitter old people will control their future.

The young will vote in their droves. It won’t be conservative, it won’t be LIbdem, and it won’t be anything that smells like Brexit. That will leave labour. They won’t understand the danger of a Marxist being in charge.

[grantone]

TTmonkey said:

Do you not think the utter fkup of the last three years has done one thing, it’s taught the young that if they don’t vote bitter old people will control their future.

The young will vote in their droves. It won’t be conservative, it won’t be LIbdem, and it won’t be anything that smells like Brexit. That will leave labour. They won’t understand the danger of a Marxist being in charge.

Which is interesting because I think one of the few MPs who, in private, is absolutely behind a full-fat, no deal Brexit is the real head of the current Labour party, John McDonnell.

[Pit Pony]

amgmcqueen said:

They're history aren't they?

After what we've witnessed these last 3 years, how could anyone seriously go to the ballot box and put a cross next to either a Tory or Labour candidate?!

I'd vote for the candidate not for the party.
Our Bill Estertt seems normal. He phoned me up once and had a chat about IR35

[Vanden Saab]

powerstroke said:

frisbee said:

Hoink said:

The danger is people who would normally vote Tory simply don't vote at all or vote for a Brexit party. I imagine Labour would pick up quite a few seats as a result.

A lot of Remainers will be tactically voting to do the most damage to the Tories.

A lot of leavers will also be voting tactically to do the most damage to the Tories
I seriously think only a no deal Proper brexit will save us from a Corbyn government ..

A lot of leavers will not be voting for any of the parties presently fking up Brexit. Which is all of those there now.

[B'stard Child]

cherryowen said:

Will it fk as like, and I'd rather not be governed again by the duplicitous pile of st that was Blair's cabinet. Certainly not by a government chaired by Corbyn, and with a spear carrier like Abbott.[/b]

Jesus......................................

I was kinda with you till the last bit - then you just lost both my support and the techie that is Dave

Edited by pp15.mod on Wednesday 3rd April 09:39

Edited by pp15.mod on Wednesday 3rd April 09:47